Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 39764 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 18:35:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 18:35:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 63273 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jul 2005 18:35:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63125 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jul 2005 18:35:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63034 invoked by uid 99); 20 Jul 2005 18:35:31 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:35:31 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [83.160.152.237] (HELO gnu.wildebeest.org) (83.160.152.237) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:35:26 -0700 Received: from slauerhoff.wildebeest.org ([192.168.1.27]) by gnu.wildebeest.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DvJQ9-0005SJ-00 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:35:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Minutes of First Harmony Meeting From: Mark Wielaard To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <66621B04-0F91-437C-996A-55521F913F17@apache.org> References: <42C41E53.8060903@gatewide.com> <1120199237.9489.19.camel@localhost> <4dd1f3f005063023406b6c2e1a@mail.gmail.com> <1b3e8afb0507010205425ab34d@mail.gmail.com> <4dd1f3f0050704221737722482@mail.gmail.com> <1120668053.6038.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42CC19CB.6050803@kaffe.org> <66621B04-0F91-437C-996A-55521F913F17@apache.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kYN+MSoAYRnLot44qLCV" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:31:34 +0200 Message-Id: <1121880694.4759.217.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=-kYN+MSoAYRnLot44qLCV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 10:40 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote: > > Mark Wielaard wrote: > >> That seems to be similar to how we (FSF/GNU) look at the CPL. It is a > >> free software license. But since it is incompatible with the GPL (has > >> different requirements on distribution) we are happy to use it for > >> standalone use in applications, but we won't use such code bases for > >> creating larger derivative works. > >> > > > > Yeah. Ideally bits and pieces, as they are contributed to Harmony =20 > > would > > be licensed under the Apache license or even more liberal licenses, >=20 > Allright. I'll bite. What's more liberal? I consider that the AL =20 > is the most liberal of the commonly found languages as it gives the =20 > users full freedom to do as they choose not only with the licensed =20 > software, but with any derivative works or additional innovation they =20 > may combine with it... Some examples are the MIT/X, "Modern" BSD, the IKVM and ORP license. The ASL is definitely less "liberal" then any of the above since it has extra requirements. Not that those extra requirements are such a bad thing. They seem designed to protect the free software community from loosing credit or distribution rights in the future. Just like the GPL adds some requirements to make sure all derived works will benefit the users and the community. But for example the patent-retaliation clause in ASLv2 is an extra restriction that isn't in any of the above and that makes it GPLv2 incompatible. Cheers, Mark --=-kYN+MSoAYRnLot44qLCV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBC3op2xVhZCJWr9QwRAovoAJ9gKfg2xemCUTmp5YD9efdftndKHwCcCNt4 3WWbB2GqBZKEFnxWbK6fcTM= =5JsW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kYN+MSoAYRnLot44qLCV--