From harmony-dev-return-1714-apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Jul 14 17:13:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 12297 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 17:13:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 17:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 57922 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jul 2005 17:13:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57813 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jul 2005 17:13:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57758 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 17:13:12 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:13:12 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [211.29.133.164] (HELO mail23.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.133.164) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:13:09 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c220-239-106-65.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.239.106.65]) by mail23.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6EHD65H006616 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:13:08 +1000 Message-ID: <42D69CA9.7090404@realityforge.org> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:11:05 +1000 From: Peter Donald User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [legal] Mailing list policy References: <70FFB891-6507-4905-A2CC-A292628D9F3A@apache.org> <1121279094.13727.156.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121354310.5558.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1121354310.5558.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, Feel free to pretend I am dumb. Basically you want that anything that is contributed to Harmony via mailing list "can be shared with projects like GNU Classpath, GCC, Kaffe, CACAO, JamVM, etc." which is an admirable goal to be sure. But shouldn't this go both ways - should not anything contributed to any of those projects be able to be shared with Harmony? AFAIK many of the contributors make a conscious decision about which licenses they will or will not contribute their work under. Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 10:17 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >>I really understand where you are coming from, and really thought >>about how to present this, because there is no intent to stir up the >>license wars again :) I had just been receiving questions from many >>people and organizations, and felt that we should just make it clear. > > > Of course we need to make things clear. > But these people need to voice their questions and opinions on the list. > Just like we all do. And then we decide how we want to cooperate with > each other. I would love to discuss and exchange ideas with people about > core library issues. How to best setup interfaces between the native > platform, runtime and core libraries. And I saw some suggestions that I > was about to comment on. But clearly if we are going the ASLv2 or the > high-way route I won't participate in that (or at least not through this > list). > > What are the concerns of these people and organizations you have spoken > with? And how can we solve those concerns so that all participants can > freely exchange their knowledge so that all projects can adopt that > code? > > You said that you wanted this policy to be an example for the rest of > Apache. Lets do that. Lets make a policy that means contributions can be > shared with projects like GNU Classpath, GCC, Kaffe, CACAO, JamVM, etc. > It seems that is what a lot of people have been wanting for a long time. > To build a bridge between GNU and Apache. And that is why we started > this Harmony effort in the first place. > > I proposed a couple of ways to do that in my post. You propose that it > will all be under ASLv2 and closed off for these projects. How do we > resolve this conflict? Why are my suggestions not acceptable to you and > the many people and organizations you talked to. > Lets start by discussing that in the open. > > Cheers, > > Mark