From harmony-dev-return-1667-apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jul 08 05:42:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 15967 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 59557 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jul 2005 05:42:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59356 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jul 2005 05:42:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59343 invoked by uid 99); 8 Jul 2005 05:42:43 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:42:43 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_BY_IP,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of gripusa@gmail.com designates 64.233.170.196 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.170.196] (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.196) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:42:41 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so315361rna for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:42:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=odbpLlgOAPaqHnn9Jg7Mhu4Ys1PUm0yKVKbsgHoiu33lBYkKGxM/rm7dADc7dVpOb8S38rVUyVq3S5Kj3llPOpfdtytfSR2PnZBjmyaBHo3YPq0/I8OdSwKyqBTFWR0JsBnv2JjgcChY85gx1s628NYNrL/Gb5Z5lrQuUor4kFs= Received: by 10.38.86.54 with SMTP id j54mr1470251rnb; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.39 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2de195a205070722424e32a56e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:42:39 +0500 From: usman bashir Reply-To: usman bashir To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: GNU Classpath 0.16 "Harmony!" released In-Reply-To: <486AB294-9163-403E-904F-540D22E828B0@apache.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132_32455248.1120801359852" References: <1120233391.6005.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42C56AF2.4020406@apache.org> <42C56FE3.2020609@electricjellyfish.net> <42C571E4.9080608@apache.org> <1120559969.5605.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42CA6939.3070505@apache.org> <42CC0CEE.3010201@apache.org> <486AB294-9163-403E-904F-540D22E828B0@apache.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_132_32455248.1120801359852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Gier! i am also support him, as i have also faced few difficulties while during= =20 silent research on all these topics (library to VM) as few things were=20 desgined to keeping in mind of Unix versions and hence a win client find hi= m=20 no where in such cases. However i understand ur concerns (as it has been=20 throughly discussed in last mails) about the progress of harmony, so i=20 think, we can start working parrallel (only volunteer bases not included in= =20 realy project plan yet) about the development of libraries that liberate us= =20 from GNU. An imp note to those who will argue agianst it, i just like to see harmony= =20 to be complete in itself like we have J2SDK (now JSE ;) ) so if we able to= =20 ship libraries as well (and i know we have to) then we can do a magical=20 thing(and i know it will add atleast two three years more, but i am not=20 forcing it now, as our major goal is to get JVM first). so working over=20 these things should be in mind. its humble proposal, i hope people will support this.=20 On 7/7/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 6, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: >=20 > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > >> On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:04 AM, Mladen Turk wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> IMHO the major issue is to put all the requirements for the > >>> classpath on the paper, and then to see if the GNU classpath is > >>> usable, and if not, can it be adopted to fulfill all the > >>> requirements. > >>> > >> That's not an unreasonable idea. > >> Thanks for volunteering :) > >> > >> Go for it! > >> > >> > > > > Well It depends on the Harmony goals at the first place. > > I hope the Harmony will offer more then just > > Solaris/Sparc, Win/x86, Linux/i386/amd64. >=20 > I assume that whatever people want to do, we will do. I hope that it > can be ported - if there's interest - to any platform out there. > BSD, for example, and embedded. Also, a much wider hardware matrix, > including PPC, Itanium, etc... >=20 > > > > Right now the GNU classpath is GNU tools only. Trying to > > compile that on WIN32 or WIN64 is very painful without > > going trough some posix layer. > > Also the GUI part is GTK only, so even with using things like > > gtk-win32 it adds an extra layer in between. >=20 > Great - so factor this into the class library requirements paper that > you volunteered for :) >=20 > > > > Anyhow, like said at the beginning, I think we should build our > > own classpath. I can volunteer for that, using APR as a > > OS abstraction layer. For me using GNU classpath could give > > some jump start, but in the long run, we'll have to build > > our own classpath. >=20 > That's not unreasonable - we'll do it if there's interest. As for > now, as you note, we can work w/ GNU Classpath as a jumpstart and see > where it takes us. >=20 > I think that we should remain committed to making things as pluggable > as possible, and will re-kindle the VM/Classlibrary discussion we > started a while back. >=20 > We also want to be sure that if we do any class library work here, > that we modularize in such a way that parts can be repurposed > elsewhere - like swing or other such uglies... >=20 > geir >=20 > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 > geirm@apache.org >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Usman Bashir Certified IBM XML Solution Developer=20 Certified UML Developer Brainbench Certified Internet Perfessional[advance](BCIP) Brainbench Certified Java Perfessional (BCJP) Brainbench Certified .NET Perfessional=20 Brainbench Ceritified C++ Perfessional (BCCP) Software engineer IT24 Faculty Member Operation Badar Lahore ------=_Part_132_32455248.1120801359852--