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From "Baker, Tony" <tony.ba...@intel.com>
Subject RE: Minutes of First Harmony Meeting
Date Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:30:26 GMT
Uh...

Weldon Washburn, individual contributor, just tipped his hand.  As an
individual contributor, why would you need permission?

tjb

-----Original Message-----
From: Weldon Washburn [mailto:weldonwjw@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:18 AM
To: Robin Garner
Cc: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minutes of First Harmony Meeting

On 7/4/05, Robin Garner <Robin.Garner@anu.edu.au> wrote:
> I don't know where you get the idea that downloading JikesRVM or any
> component thereof 'contaminates' you.  

I may be wrong on the contamination issue.  The real issue is that  I
do not have permission to download anything but Apache licensed code.

>The e-mail you refer to talks
> about redistributing a work derived from a CPL-ed work as part of an
> Apache distribution.

Exactly.  Harmony won't bundle non-Apache code with its download.  The
goal is a complete Apache licensed JVM stack that works right out of
the box.  This includes a GC.   If Harmony modularization is
successful, third parties can plug in non-Apache components such as a
GC from Jikes, Rotor, Sun, etc.

> 
> While MMTk is a component of JikesRVM, it is maintained by a distinct
> subgroup of the JikesRVM community.  If Harmony were to use MMTk, I'm
> sure we could make it available under an appropriate license.
> 
> In any case, the development model of MMTk is to be portable, as
> reflected in the Rotor and JNode ports, and to maintain a common code
> base for all platforms it supports.  There would then be no issue of
> distributing a derived work.
> 
> Can't you just work on the same basis as people are with Classpath -
> just proceed as though the license issues will eventually be worked
> out ?

Unfortunately, I am not allowed to proceed until the license issues
are worked out.

> 
> Regards,
> Robin
> 
> On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 22:17 -0700, Weldon Washburn wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I am not allowed to download JikesRVM at this time.
> > Since I can't download Jikes, I did the next best thing -- a Google
> > search.  As far as I can tell, MMTK is part of JikesRVM and does not
> > exist as a stand-alone entity.  Is this correct?
> >
> > Also, the following mail archive says that Apache has issues with CPL
code:
> >
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200503.mbox/%3C26
645680-8D0F-11D9-ACFB-000A95D41A40@apache.org%3E
> >
> > Does MMTK exist under any other license?  I'd like to look at the
> > MMTK/VM interface(s) but don't know how to do this without becoming
> > contaminated.  Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >    Thanks
> >        Weldon
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/05, Daniel Feinberg <csdread@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I can't find the license to MMTK.  Can you post a pointer?
> > > If you download JikesRVM you can see in the MMTK directory that it is
> > > licenced under CPL or the Common Public Licence.
> > >
> > > This is quoted from the licence file supplied with MMTK:
> > >
> > > MMTk is free, open source software, distributed and freely
> > > redistributable under the Common Public License (CPL).  The CPL has
> > > been certified by the Open Source Initiative as an open source
> > > license.  The CPL meets the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Feinberg
> > > http://www.cs.unm.edu/~danielf
> > >
> 
>

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