Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of gcjhd-harmony-dev@m.gmane.org
 designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender)
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
From: netsql <netsql@roomity.com>
Subject: Re: Apache Booth At JavaOne
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:10:15 -0500
Lines: 131
Message-ID: <d8fn7m$f3r$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <B3B5208A-0A3B-44B0-BC76-B129DF72B22C@apache.org>
 <42AB1DDA.2050100@earthlink.net> <42AB32BB.8080500@earthlink.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317)
In-Reply-To: <42AB32BB.8080500@earthlink.net>
Sender: news <news@sea.gmane.org>

How much funds? I might donate %.

(I have a hard time deploying applications... other than to OSX. When 
Harmony becomes available, I imagine it to be easier to deploy. I 
mean... look at LimeWire, mine is similar issues.)

.V

Dmitry Serebrennikov wrote:
> I just put together a simple mockup of this kind of a flyer. Please take 
> a look at
> http://www.jsdiinc.com/harmony/ossjava.html
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 
> 
> Dmitry Serebrennikov wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Here's an idea that occurred to me yesterday after reading Geir's post 
>> about booth at Java ONE. I think this is a good opportunity, but needs 
>> more thoughts.
>>
>> You know how James Gosling keeps saying that Sun's customers tell them 
>> they would run for the hills if Java was opensourced, etc., etc.? 
>> Well, JavaOne is a gathering of just these types of customers, and 
>> they will be walking around the pavilion, possibly stopping by the 
>> Apache booth. What an opportunity to validate (and hopefully disprove) 
>> that assertion! If we could just come up with a way to poll people as 
>> they stop by the booth, we might have an excellent argument to 
>> counteract Gonsling's FUD/misunderstanding (whichever it is).
>>
>> Not only that, but at the same time we could actually educate people 
>> on (a) what OSS is *really* all about, (b) what Apache and Harmony's 
>> intentions are for Java (no incompatibility, just improvement), (c) 
>> about work that has already been done by other OSS projects in the 
>> Java VM field (gcj, classpath, etc).
>>
>> Without the booth, there will be a few people that come the 
>> OSS-related sessions, fewer still will be at the Harmony session. But 
>> the booth changes things. If we conduct this kind of poll at the 
>> booth, and generate buzz about the booth at the sessions, we could 
>> reach vastly more people! Of course the booth is meant to be shared 
>> between all Java-related Apache projects, but isn't Harmony kind of an 
>> overriding umbrella that relates to and benefits all of these 
>> projects? Logically, it makes sense to have Harmony represented at the 
>> booth at all times, even if politically this may require negotiation. 
>> But maybe having a poll station and a stand with questions (see 
>> below), even as the rest of the booth is devoted to other topics, 
>> wouldn't be that difficult?
>>
>> Isn't this an exciting opportunity? What I envision is something like 
>> this. Like I said, this requires more thought on exactly how to do this.
>> We present people with a series of questions, maybe 3 or 4, designed 
>> to spark their interest and explain benefits of a fully-compatible OSS 
>> Java implementation to them. At the end, we ask - Would you support an 
>> open source Java implementation that delivered the above? Yes / No. 
>> This could be printed on a largish poster so that people see it over 
>> the heads of others and also printed on postcard-sized sheets of 
>> paper. Under the poster and next to these postcards we put two 
>> fishbowls with big "Yes" and "No" scotch-taped to them. They grab the 
>> postcard, mark off their answer, fill in a comment if they want, and 
>> drop it in the right bowl. It might be good to ask for their name and 
>> org, but I'm not sure. Having that would help with legitimacy, but 
>> it's too much work to fill out and will cause lots of work for us to 
>> sort though anyway.
>>
>> I don't suppose we are going to have one of those card readers there, 
>> will we? I think they cost extra.
>>
>> Now, the postcards have an additional benefit. It's a matter of funds 
>> to print more of them, but the more we have, the more we can use them. 
>> We can distribute them at the entrance, cafeteria, etc. We can 
>> distribute them at sessions. The cards would also have the booth 
>> number on them to draw people in. They could even be as small as 
>> business cards, but they will be hard to see then. This would also 
>> just draw people to the Apache booth in general, so other projects 
>> might even be interested in supporting this idea as well.
>>
>> So, what about the questions? Here are some ideas.
>> At the top, in large font, a big draw-in header. Something like: Is 
>> Open Source Java a Good Thing?
>> Then something like this:
>> <bold>Have you ever found a bug in Java that broke your application?
>>           You could have just fixed it, but had to work around it 
>> instead?</bold>
>> OSS Java will not only let you fix it and distribute your code with 
>> your application, but you would benefit from other people making such 
>> fixes, while you can just focus on your work and stop wasting time on 
>> workarounds!
>>
>> <bold>Do you work with a platform that Sun's Java does not support?
>>           Have you ever wished that someone would just write a good 
>> JVM for it?</bold>
>> OSS Java with a vibrant community will provide an incentive to do just 
>> this. Because codebase is shared and understood by many people, the 
>> cost of adding a new platform becomes smaller over time, while the 
>> benefits become larger!
>>
>> .....
>>
>> It needs a third one, but I can't think of one right now. I think we 
>> absolutely need to emphasize rigorous compatibility. But I can't think 
>> of how to put that in this format at the moment. Thoughts? Comments? 
>> What other benefits do we want to highlight?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Dmitry
>>
>>
>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> The ASF will have a booth at JavaOne this year.  We will be staffing  
>>> the booth with projects, each project there for 2 hours or so to 
>>> tell  people about the project and the ASF in general.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to volunteer to help out, add your name here :
>>>
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ApacheAtJavaOne2005
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>>
>>
> 
>