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From usman bashir <grip...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Legal] Requirements for Committers
Date Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:36:42 GMT
 gier! i m from Pakistan and here and in even our some neigbouring 
counteries like INDIA etc , the employer has the right over only those 
things that we write for them. but not for those whom we write for us , so 
even it is possible to do parrallel work for others.
 but as u suggested a letter from our contractor, i can provide but it ll 
certainly raise some eyebrowse here even though it is not going to help 
harmory me or my company:) 
 as for as other restrcition are concern i am free from them as i have never 
feel concern what the Sun writes for us. so even though having more then 
onse src.zip (as due to several JDKs on my machine) , i never dig into their 
 so i request u either reiterate over ur statment about company statement 
and if u r still looking over it then i have to mess up with my PM. 

 On 6/14/05, Ben Laurie <ben@algroup.co.uk> wrote: 
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Robin Garner wrote:
> >
> >>> 8) Employment Limitations
> >>>
> >>> Are you employed as a programmer, systems analyst, or other
> >>> IT professional? If so, you may be an commiter
> >>> only if your employer either:
> >>>
> >>> a) signs a Corporate Contribution License Agreement with Apache
> >>> and lists you as a designated employee or
> >>>
> >>> b) submits a written authorization for your participation in this
> >>> project and disclaims any copyright or confidentiality interest
> >>> in your current or future contributions to this project.
> >>>
> >>
> >> To me, this is _way_ too restructive.
> >
> >
> > It is very restrictive, and is a starting point for the discussion.
> >
> > This is a real problem, I think. I believe that people don't
> > understand the restrictions they are working under, and the
> > ramifications of what can happen.
> >
> >
> >> While this kind of statement
> >> wouldn't be a problem for me currently, from time to time I've been
> >> employeed by either a large company or the Australian Government,
> >> neither
> >> of which have any legal rights to anything I do out of hours, but who
> >> would have conniptions if asked to sign an agreement like this. Simply
> >> because the pointy haired bosses wouldn't understand what it was about,
> >> and would go into knee-jerk abnegation-of-responsibility mode.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, what do we do? I'm not sure we can punt here, but clearly we
> > want to make it so the broadest community can participate.
> Clearly your requirements only apply if the contributor's employer has
> rights to their contribution. If the employer has no rights, then all
> the contributor need do is to state that.
> Cheers,
> Ben.
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Usman Bashir
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