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From acoli...@apache.org
Subject Re: Apache Booth At JavaOne
Date Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:18:45 GMT
I suspect that Apache is not paying for the booth.  Therefore, it might 
not be polite to pee in our host's sanka humm?

Besides, waht good is it?  A much bigger accomplishment is seeing lines 
of code committed.  That would accomplish more frankly.

netsql wrote:
> How much funds? I might donate %.
> (I have a hard time deploying applications... other than to OSX. When 
> Harmony becomes available, I imagine it to be easier to deploy. I 
> mean... look at LimeWire, mine is similar issues.)
> .V
> Dmitry Serebrennikov wrote:
>> I just put together a simple mockup of this kind of a flyer. Please 
>> take a look at
>> http://www.jsdiinc.com/harmony/ossjava.html
>> What do you think?
>> Dmitry Serebrennikov wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>> Here's an idea that occurred to me yesterday after reading Geir's 
>>> post about booth at Java ONE. I think this is a good opportunity, but 
>>> needs more thoughts.
>>> You know how James Gosling keeps saying that Sun's customers tell 
>>> them they would run for the hills if Java was opensourced, etc., 
>>> etc.? Well, JavaOne is a gathering of just these types of customers, 
>>> and they will be walking around the pavilion, possibly stopping by 
>>> the Apache booth. What an opportunity to validate (and hopefully 
>>> disprove) that assertion! If we could just come up with a way to poll 
>>> people as they stop by the booth, we might have an excellent argument 
>>> to counteract Gonsling's FUD/misunderstanding (whichever it is).
>>> Not only that, but at the same time we could actually educate people 
>>> on (a) what OSS is *really* all about, (b) what Apache and Harmony's 
>>> intentions are for Java (no incompatibility, just improvement), (c) 
>>> about work that has already been done by other OSS projects in the 
>>> Java VM field (gcj, classpath, etc).
>>> Without the booth, there will be a few people that come the 
>>> OSS-related sessions, fewer still will be at the Harmony session. But 
>>> the booth changes things. If we conduct this kind of poll at the 
>>> booth, and generate buzz about the booth at the sessions, we could 
>>> reach vastly more people! Of course the booth is meant to be shared 
>>> between all Java-related Apache projects, but isn't Harmony kind of 
>>> an overriding umbrella that relates to and benefits all of these 
>>> projects? Logically, it makes sense to have Harmony represented at 
>>> the booth at all times, even if politically this may require 
>>> negotiation. But maybe having a poll station and a stand with 
>>> questions (see below), even as the rest of the booth is devoted to 
>>> other topics, wouldn't be that difficult?
>>> Isn't this an exciting opportunity? What I envision is something like 
>>> this. Like I said, this requires more thought on exactly how to do this.
>>> We present people with a series of questions, maybe 3 or 4, designed 
>>> to spark their interest and explain benefits of a fully-compatible 
>>> OSS Java implementation to them. At the end, we ask - Would you 
>>> support an open source Java implementation that delivered the above? 
>>> Yes / No. This could be printed on a largish poster so that people 
>>> see it over the heads of others and also printed on postcard-sized 
>>> sheets of paper. Under the poster and next to these postcards we put 
>>> two fishbowls with big "Yes" and "No" scotch-taped to them. They grab 
>>> the postcard, mark off their answer, fill in a comment if they want, 
>>> and drop it in the right bowl. It might be good to ask for their name 
>>> and org, but I'm not sure. Having that would help with legitimacy, 
>>> but it's too much work to fill out and will cause lots of work for us 
>>> to sort though anyway.
>>> I don't suppose we are going to have one of those card readers there, 
>>> will we? I think they cost extra.
>>> Now, the postcards have an additional benefit. It's a matter of funds 
>>> to print more of them, but the more we have, the more we can use 
>>> them. We can distribute them at the entrance, cafeteria, etc. We can 
>>> distribute them at sessions. The cards would also have the booth 
>>> number on them to draw people in. They could even be as small as 
>>> business cards, but they will be hard to see then. This would also 
>>> just draw people to the Apache booth in general, so other projects 
>>> might even be interested in supporting this idea as well.
>>> So, what about the questions? Here are some ideas.
>>> At the top, in large font, a big draw-in header. Something like: Is 
>>> Open Source Java a Good Thing?
>>> Then something like this:
>>> <bold>Have you ever found a bug in Java that broke your application?
>>>           You could have just fixed it, but had to work around it 
>>> instead?</bold>
>>> OSS Java will not only let you fix it and distribute your code with 
>>> your application, but you would benefit from other people making such 
>>> fixes, while you can just focus on your work and stop wasting time on 
>>> workarounds!
>>> <bold>Do you work with a platform that Sun's Java does not support?
>>>           Have you ever wished that someone would just write a good 
>>> JVM for it?</bold>
>>> OSS Java with a vibrant community will provide an incentive to do 
>>> just this. Because codebase is shared and understood by many people, 
>>> the cost of adding a new platform becomes smaller over time, while 
>>> the benefits become larger!
>>> .....
>>> It needs a third one, but I can't think of one right now. I think we 
>>> absolutely need to emphasize rigorous compatibility. But I can't 
>>> think of how to put that in this format at the moment. Thoughts? 
>>> Comments? What other benefits do we want to highlight?
>>> Regards
>>> Dmitry
>>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> The ASF will have a booth at JavaOne this year.  We will be 
>>>> staffing  the booth with projects, each project there for 2 hours or 
>>>> so to tell  people about the project and the ASF in general.
>>>> If anyone would like to volunteer to help out, add your name here :
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ApacheAtJavaOne2005
>>>> geir
> .

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