Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 90413 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:42:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21446 invoked by uid 500); 11 May 2005 09:45:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21381 invoked by uid 500); 11 May 2005 09:45:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21366 invoked by uid 99); 11 May 2005 09:45:45 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: 217.155.92.109 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from mail.links.org (HELO mail.links.org) (217.155.92.109) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 May 2005 02:45:44 -0700 Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C14F33C33 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:42:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4281D36A.3090303@algroup.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:42:02 +0100 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Java Security for Harmony References: <5f21a0a9577705abd531cebc48d11085@earthlink.net> <42807005.4070500@algroup.co.uk> <01f801c55541$f26d9430$8400000a@MEANMACHINE> <4280D63C.2060801@algroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Bob wrote: > Some attention DOES need to be paid to speed. If Harmony is > consistently 3-5X slower than Sun (which it will be, if there's no JIT > and no bytecode verifier and no ahead-of-time compiler), then many Java > apps will simply be too slow to run on Harmony. I'm more interested in the modularity with this question - by the sound of it, the verifier is an optional module. > > On May 10, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: > >> Andreas Ravnestad wrote: >> >>> Ben wrote: >>> >>>> Forgive my ignorance - why is this necessary? >>> >>> A few short & sweet reasons see >>> http://fpl.cs.depaul.edu/cpitcher/se573/lectures/lecture >>> -07.html#slide013 >> >> >> So its an optimisation (and therefore optional), right? >> >> -- >> http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ >> >> "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he >> doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff >> > > -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff