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Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Venkatesh Balakumar <venkat2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Windows support
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org, Berlin Brown <berlin.brown@gmail.com>
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Moreover from my experience as java developer i have seen most of the people useing windows for java development and then move the developed software from windows to Linux or Unix for testing and production. So i feel windows must also be considered.
 
~Venkat

Berlin Brown <berlin.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
Java by its very nature should be platform independent(to some
degree). I merely ask that one of those platforms should be Windows. 
How many open source java libraries have you used on Windows? Or at
least, wouldn't you agree that many others use open source java
libraries. Many of these libraries exist under the apache umbrella. 
Just to name a few, hibernate, lucene, jakarta-commons, tomcat, jboss,
eclipse. So, I think a "working" windows java vm would make the
Harmony project very interesting.

On 5/10/05, Kalecser Kurtz wrote:
> I fail to see the point on writing open source software for Windows,
> on windows we already have SUN's and IBM's java impl and I think noone
> would care to have an free(from freedom) java impl.
> 
> 
> On 5/10/05, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> > Berlin Brown wrote:
> > > Hello, I am not a JVM guru like the others, just a long-time Java
> > > advocate and sit-back-and-watch Harmony person. I have a comment, I
> > > know there will be a strong interest in getting an Apache backed
> > > system on Linux/Solaris/Mac environments. It would be nice to see a
> > > strong effort for Windows support. One of the key selling points of
> > > Java is its portability. Having a Windows port would be key. And,
> > > we all love to hate Windows, but it is pretty pervasive. It would be
> > > nice if the Windows support was part of the initial focus and not an
> > > after thought like some of the research Open-Source/JavaVMs that are
> > > out now.
> >
> > Hi Berlin,
> >
> > I believe that mostly the reason why the current release of Kaffe has
> > very little Windows support (just via cygwin) was the lack of big enough
> > interest from developers familiar with and working on Windows. That, and
> > the lack of some volunteer who cared enough to drive the issue to
> > completion.
> >
> > I'm glad that you are considering volunteering to fix that problem:
> > there are Kaffe ports to Cygwin, as well as a mingw32 port, and ports to
> > WindowsCE platforms as well as DOS. You do not have to be VM guru to
> > fix build problems, and there have even been patches floating around for
> > Kaffe to make it build fine with MSVC++. On a side note, integrating
> > MSVC++ into Kaffe's (and other autotools based) build systems should be
> > fairly easy using cccl m4 macros, I've done this myself in a different
> > project to have a single, automated build system.
> >
> > On the other hand, for all I know IKVM works great on windows already. :)
> >
> > > Also, I would suggest a port of C-Code Kaffe/GCJ JavaVM code to a
> > > Microsoft backed compiler, possibly Visual C++ 6/7. Or at least
> > > provide build support for the Windows platforrm.
> >
> > Get cygwin, get kaffe 1.1.5 tarball, get jikes 1.22 tarball. unpack
> > jikes, configure && make && make install it, unpack kaffe, configure it
> > with --disable-native-awt (cygwin did not support gtk last time I
> > checked) and --disable-sound (neither did it support ALSA or ESD) and
> > --enable-pure-java-math (unless you installed GNU MP libs with headers).
> > make, and pester me with bug reports :)
> >
> > The Cygwin patches to 1.1.4 from Gerrit P. Haase have been merged in
> > before 1.1.5 came out, but when I tried out 1.1.5 a few weeks ago, I had
> > some problems with Cygwin's make utility. On the other hand, cygwin is a
> > fast moving target, and chances are the problems are fixed now.
> >
> > If you are interested in making it happen, hop on the Kaffe mailing
> > list, or the irc://irc.freenode.org:#kaffe channel.
> >
> > cheers,
> > dalibor topic
> >
>


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