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From Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Against using Java to implement Java (Was: Java)
Date Mon, 16 May 2005 21:11:27 GMT

On May 12, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Kev Jackson wrote:

>> So speak up project lead(s).  We are here.  We are talking a lot,  
>> but not much is happening.  Order us about.  Assign work.  Let's  
>> get our hands dirty.  The likelihood is that there will be changes  
>> along the way anyhow.  There almost always are, and developers  
>> dedicated to the project will simply have to adapt.
> couldn't agree more, the more 'talking' happening here, the less  
> progress seems to be made.  The guys rant on bile blog had some  
> points about people here talking and waiting for a code drop from  
> IBM/Sun/whoever.  I'd like to help on this I really would, but I  
> need a direction, what are we doing here?  Is it a glue classpath  
> to kaffe to xxx?  Is it a write everything from scratch?  If we  
> want to get started we need some code, without it we're just  
> wasting everyone's time

It's been one (1) week.  There's been lots of good conversation.  We  
have lots of things to explore.  I wouldn't force the issue right  
now.  I'm happy to go w/ C/C++ or Java.  I just want to understand  
the trade-offs.

I'd like to be sure that :

a) this is modular
b) that it's *fast*
c) that it's maintainable
d) that it's portable

I've seen both Java and C++/C codebases that satisfy a - d :)

I'm hoping that we can start looking at a small modular VM - even  
just a toy implementation that we can hook to GNU Classpath through  
an interfacing API that we judge to be sufficient for any  
implementation of VM _or_ class library.


Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437

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