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From Ahmed Saad <myanywh...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVM http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/
Date Fri, 20 May 2005 19:34:40 GMT
hi all.. you know i think we all should work to bring the spirit of harmoney 
to the open source movement in general... for example as a web developer i 
read about a new php mvc-based framework every couple of days with really 
nothing new to introduce to the scene.... so if all *similiar* open source 
projects *harmonized* their efforts... i think we will be in a more 
productive/innovative open source world... nevertheless, projects with 
different philosophies about the same thing should just remain separate 
trying to compete with each other....sorry for my off subject

On 5/20/05, crispyalien <crispyalien@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I just wanted to say that a free opensource VM with do a lot of
> harmonyzation in Java world. This is more or les the missing pice. There
> are some free java VMs but they will never be used in critical by the
> companys to run there applications if it won't be backed-up by a big
> (and well known for it's qality) company/fundation. I think Appache
> fundation cand be that sponsor. I also believe that Harmony should only
> be about VM+classpath. But I could also see the meaning in having a tool
> development pack. This could be done by some other project. Maybe
> Appache could take the lead here too but this is another story.
> best regards,
> Valentin
> Gary Affonso wrote:
> >On 5/20/05 3:38 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geirm@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>On May 19, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Renaud BECHADE wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Another point that is unrelated, but what about the "packaging" of
> >>>the VM?
> >>>Do we plan to release it with say Eclipse + Server (JSF + IDE +
> >>>object DB or
> >>>O/R mapping + HSQL DB)? (IMHO this is good way to legitimate it)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>No. Why would we do this?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I could see why someone (at least myself) might tend to think in this
> >direction.
> >
> >This project has been called "Harmony" and, well, there's a lot in the 
> Java
> >world that could stand to be "Harmonized". The various ORM solutions, the
> >IDE's, the webapp frameworks, etc. Hell, a good chunk of the "disharmony"
> >with Java right now is serious rift between Sun, which pushes EJB, and 
> the
> >"lightweight" folks who are seeing a shocking (and, IMO, deserved) amount 
> of
> >success with creating and using an EJB alternative (Spring, Hibernate,
> >etc.).
> >
> >I'm not saying I think this Harmony project should try to and harmonize 
> any
> >of those thing. It's got its job cut out for it to "harmonize" the 
> various
> >efforts around...
> >
> > * a JVM
> > * a compiler
> > * a class library
> >
> >...without thinking about the upper layers of the Java stack. I think the
> >scope of this effort is clear to those who are moderately "in the know".
> >
> >But it's not a big surprise (at least to me) that when moderately "out of
> >the know" people hear "Java Harmony" they might think the effort extends
> >beyond just the core components. Indeed, they'll probably assume that it
> >addresses the aspects of Java that are, to many, are the most acrimonious 
> to
> >begin with (EJB vs Lightweight or NetBeans/Swing vs Eclipse/SWT).
> >
> >If nothing else, I'd suggest this be in a FAQ somewhere so that it's 
> clear
> >that "Harmony" intends to address just a small subset of the java world, 
> not
> >even the one that gets the most "acrimony" in the press and on blogs.
> >
> >- Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >

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