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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Harmony / GNU Classpath
Date Thu, 12 May 2005 15:07:21 GMT
Dear Greg, Noel,
If my following statements are not correct. Please correct me ASAP.

Folks,
For now the situation is as follows (till someone takes a step, from
ASF side or FSF side):
- No one can check-in classpath jars or sources into Apache's SVN repo.
- Java code in ASF SVN repository can "import" from classpath jars.
- Classpath jars can't be part of the download/install image of Harmony.

I guess, it gives us a narrow sliver to continue working till someone
takes a step forward. which could be in a number of creative ways on
both sides. I believe i've listed some possibilities in previous
emails. others are welcome to chime in with other ideas as well.

thanks,
dims 

On 5/12/05, Greg Stein <gstein@apache.org> wrote:
> Dims,
> 
> The current position of the ASF is that all of our software is licensed
> under the Apache License. No dual licensing, no variations, and no special
> exceptions for any of our codebases. This provides our users with a very
> simple model of licensing. Everything is licensed the same way with no
> hidden "gotchas" to trip up users, distributors, developers, VARs, etc.
> 
> This singular licensing model is and will remain in effect. If you would
> like an exception, then you will need to provide a Board resolution to
> make it happen. Given that the Apache License is *very* flexible, I'm
> unclear on what that resolution could propose for change.
> 
> Any resolution will not be deferred to "the next board", but it will be
> discussed and voted upon at a board meeting (May 18th or June 22nd). If
> you believe and require that a vote is needed outside of that, then we can
> make it happen.
> 
> Regarding the bundling of GPL'd software (e.g. Classpath): my
> understanding is that would require the entire package falls under the
> GPL. Even if an exception is made by the authors of the GPL'd software,
> you would still have an ASF package with a mixed license (which is more
> constraining that our Apache License).
> 
> Cheers,
> -g
> 
> --
> gstein@apache.org ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 07:59:58AM -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Greg, Noel,
> >
> > Any ETA on when we can get some information from you regarding this?
> > We are all anxiously waiting. As mentioned we need legal review and
> > feedback regarding GPL+Exception and we need to get the ball rolling
> > on getting our concerns cleared with the FSF folks.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > PS: *Please* don't make us wait for the next board to take office.
> >
> > On 5/11/05, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Board and Incubator PMC,
> > >
> > > Please read the Proposal[1] and the FAQ[2] for Apache Harmony. We'd
> > > like to use GNU Classpath (pure java) for the class libraries. The
> > > problems the way i see it is documented in this email[3]. Please
> > > review all 3 items and provide guidance on *IF* the pmc/board is going
> > > to allow us to go futher down this path and under what conditions. I
> > > believe quite a few of us have built a great rapport with everyone
> > > working on this from the FSF and other affiliations. Ideally we'd like
> > > to get some help to review if the the GPL+Exception is acceptable and
> > > the FSF folks explicitly mentioned on the harmony mailing lists that
> > > they are willing to work with us on it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > dims
> > >
> > > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200505.mbox/%3c3923A844-DEC5-4CC2-ADED-B1F144BB6AF5@apache.org%3e
> > > [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200505.mbox/%3c50351021-6408-437D-949A-7AF2AD4DFD0F@apache.org%3e
> > > [3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200505.mbox/%3c19e0530f0505101129792069c4@mail.gmail.com%3e
> > > --
> > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> 


-- 
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/

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