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From "Edward J. Yoon" <edwardy...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Discussion about Hamburg (provisional name) open sourcing
Date Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:26:10 GMT
Personally, I would remove the Hbase, which only used as a
communication module from the Hama in the future.

What do you think?

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Edward J. Yoon <edwardyoon@apache.org> wrote:
> Hyunsik,
> I would suggest, we are to independently library-ize BSP component so
> that we can commonly use it for an bulk-synchronous algorithms in a
> matrix computational package, and development of BSP based graph
> computing framework. Then, IMO, the top-level package, roughly, could
> be as described below:
> org.apache.hama.bsp
> org.apache.hama.matrix
> org.apache.hama.graph
> org.apache.hama.examples
> Let's discuss more details in the hama-dev@ and hamburg-dev@.
> Thanks. ;)
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Hyunsik Choi <c0d3h4ck@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> As you know, graph is a very useful data model. Matrix is the great
>> tool to store graph data and process them. Therefore, I think that
>> they will give many benefits each other. I agree with your opinion.
>> If we do so, how can we integrate them? What do you think about that?
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> Hyunsik Choi
>> Database & Information Systems Group, Korea University
>> http://diveintodata.org
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Edward J. Yoon <edwardyoon@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks for interesting information.
>>> With hindsight, IMO, the Hama project is a best to incubate Hamburg
>>> project. and, we can consider again when prepare to graduate from
>>> incubator.
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Taylor, Ronald C <ronald.taylor@pnl.gov>
>>>> Hello Mr. Yoon,
>>>> I was delighted to hear of your proposed Hamburg project. I am a new
>>>> user of Hadoop (and Hbase). It looks like that I will be spending a
>>>> substantial amount of time working in this environment over the next
>>>> couple years, for both DOE bioinformatics work (my primary field) and
>>>> for work funded by DoD. I am enthusiastic about using Hadoop, Hive,
>>>> Hbase. Also am quite interested in the Mahout project.
>>>> While I cannot offer advice as to where to place your new project within
>>>> the Apache framework, I did want to offer my support. I believe that it
>>>> could well be of value in the coming years both to me, for my
>>>> bioinformatics research, and to other researchers here at PNNL working
>>>> in the areas of social networks (in our national security directorate)
>>>> and in a set of projects directed toward making the electrical grid
>>>> "smarter". I would not be able to contribute any code until I found
>>>> funding from current or new projects for my time. But if Hamburg moves
>>>> forward and can demonstrate its usefulness, that might be a real
>>>> possibility.
>>>> And in regards to funding for getting you some help: if you can find a
>>>> collaborator based at a university or non-profit, said collaborator
>>>> could well apply for a grant from the US National Science Foundation for
>>>> open source Hadoop-based development of graph computing / mining
>>>> algorithms. The NSF Computer and Information Science and Engineering
>>>> Directorate is awarding grants specifically devoted to the area of graph
>>>> mining (at least this year - hopefully will continue next year - anyway,
>>>> NSF gives money for algorithm and tool development in general - friendly
>>>> to that). I can't apply (at least not directly) - NSF does not like to
>>>> give money to other US government labs. But I would think you could find
>>>> someone in academia - perhaps someone already working with the Mahout
>>>> group. It would appear a natural fit. I presume there are a number of
>>>> people associated with the Apache org who know something about the NSF
>>>> and could offer further advice in that direction.
>>>> I look forward to hearing more about Hamburg, as it progresses.
>>>>  Best,
>>>>  Ron Taylor
>>>> ___________________________________________
>>>> Ronald Taylor, Ph.D.
>>>> Computational Biology & Bioinformatics Group
>>>> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
>>>> 902 Battelle Boulevard
>>>> P.O. Box 999, MSIN K7-90
>>>> Richland, WA  99352 USA
>>>> Office:  509-372-6568
>>>> Email: ronald.taylor@pnl.gov
>>>> www.pnl.gov
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: edward@udanax.org [mailto:edward@udanax.org] On Behalf Of Edward
>>>> J. Yoon
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:27 PM
>>>> To: general@hadoop.apache.org; hama-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>>>> hamburg-dev@googlegroups.com
>>>> Cc: Paolo Castagna
>>>> Subject: Discussion about Hamburg (provisional name) open sourcing
>>>> Hello communities,
>>>> I'm the one of the Hamburg (provisional name), which is the graph
>>>> computing framework on Hadoop sponsor. Now we're working on the
>>>> perfection of our prototype project, and we'll propose the Hamburg
>>>> project soon.
>>>> - http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hamburg, a wiki page
>>>> - http://throb.googlecode.com/, a prototype project
>>>> BTW, before we decide to propose, we need time just to consider where it
>>>> belongs to.
>>>> Since it aims to create a "general graph computing framework" on Hadoop,
>>>> I'd like to propose it as a sub-project of Hadoop. On the other hand,
>>>> since the matrix and graph are both in the domain of scientific
>>>> computing and BSP model could be used for matrix computation areas, I
>>>> think this project also can be integrated with the Hama project.
>>>> WDYT? Any advices are welcome.
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @ NHN, corp.
>>>> edwardyoon@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.udanax.org
>>> --
>>> Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @ NHN, corp.
>>> edwardyoon@apache.org
>>> http://blog.udanax.org
> --
> Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @ NHN, corp.
> edwardyoon@apache.org
> http://blog.udanax.org

Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @ NHN, corp.

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