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From "Sangjin Lee (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (YARN-1593) support out-of-proc AuxiliaryServices
Date Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:52:59 GMT

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Sangjin Lee commented on YARN-1593:
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Thanks for starting the proposal!

I took a quick look at it, and here are some of my initial thoughts (maybe more later).

One use case that is not mentioned is the timeline service v.2 collector (writer). We can
think of it in two possible approaches: (1) another system container/service that needs to
be launched on every node before NM can serve containers, or (2) system container that can
be started on demand when an app is started (one container per app). I think (1) fits nicely
with the system container you're envisioning. (2) is much more dynamic than any of the approaches
discussed in the doc. FYI.

I think discovery is going to be one major piece that needs to be addressed from the beginning.
Even in the most basic use cases (e.g. MR shuffle handler, timeline reader, etc.), the discoverability
of the containers and their endpoints is hugely important. It would be great if it is addressed
in the first design.

I also agree that localization is going to be a problem, and I think it's going to be an issue
no matter which option you take. If the system container needs to run as long as the node
is up, it's hard to avoid the issue of localization unless you pre-deliver the bits as part
of setting up the nodes.

In terms of the approaches, I lean slightly towards (3). It feels awkward to treat it as "just
another app" as they have different semantics from any other app. If we're elevating the notion
of the system containers to first class, we might as well be explicit while still trying to
reuse a lot of the pieces for implementation. That's my 2 cents.

One question: what do we do with the resource utilization of these system containers? Should
they be reported just like any container (I'm thinking of {{ContainersMonitorImpl}}, {{NMTimelinePublisher}}
and so on)? Or should they be considered outside the monitoring scope, like a YARN daemon
today? Have you thought about that?

> support out-of-proc AuxiliaryServices
> -------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: YARN-1593
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/YARN-1593
>             Project: Hadoop YARN
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: nodemanager, rolling upgrade
>            Reporter: Ming Ma
>            Assignee: Varun Vasudev
>         Attachments: SystemContainersandSystemServices.pdf
>
>
> AuxiliaryServices such as ShuffleHandler currently run in the same process as NM. There
are some benefits to host them in dedicated processes.
> 1. NM rolling restart. If we want to upgrade YARN , NM restart will force the ShuffleHandler
restart. If ShuffleHandler runs as a separate process, ShuffleHandler can continue to run
during NM restart. NM can reconnect the the running ShuffleHandler after restart.
> 2. Resource management. It is possible another type of AuxiliaryServices will be implemented.
AuxiliaryServices are considered YARN application specific and could consume lots of resources.
Running AuxiliaryServices in separate processes allow easier resource management. NM could
potentially stop a specific AuxiliaryServices process from running if it consumes resource
way above its allocation.
> Here are some high level ideas:
> 1. NM provides a hosting process for each AuxiliaryService. Existing AuxiliaryService
API doesn't change.
> 2. The hosting process provides RPC server for AuxiliaryService proxy object inside NM
to connect to.
> 3. When we rolling restart NM, the existing AuxiliaryService processes will continue
to run. NM could reconnect to the running AuxiliaryService processes upon restart.
> 4. Policy and resource management of AuxiliaryServices. So far we don't have immediate
need for this. AuxiliaryService could run inside a container and its resource utilization
could be taken into account by RM and RM could consider a specific type of applications overutilize
cluster resource.



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