Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2157CC3C4 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15709 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jun 2013 19:51:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 15622 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jun 2013 19:51:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@hadoop.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 15615 invoked by uid 99); 30 Jun 2013 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:51:13 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of mohajeri@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.50 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.50] (HELO mail-oa0-f50.google.com) (209.85.219.50) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:51:10 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k7so4053892oag.23 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=b1BznAoE6UTbIplxqtuEvbLuu4Wg8/KF0Dm4qgDVqrw=; b=PYA6sBchZaybycnPtUpYHhDOZEKReh3J8p3nALC9gtj3atqZ6ns2GzTcuzeazCsBaL Y/n5BpjaRC96lAYTKuO5grG6OjoEZ+uz3DOsmn54CGFHOZdYWmCZdH/fMwqswD9N2wSq RUbfamkR8eys6quxQbnUQBNfQgNvasuV7iqQq3XUw8ACkykdiz9FlgqkUN2+dKxyb172 y0A9e2a8/1XDyoYbOgvCL3Pm0heNMD7ErFfjOItecUuxkTA0bqLckiYH/aRDva9qMQtD SYJiQgoExh9Z5TdNxf/aNBuEV1PJ9kt2yiX4rbRX/yO11rcWPtZcn9sdjNqcb/RCvW5U uBnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.173.169 with SMTP id bl9mr8735473oec.51.1372621849235; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.142.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <97E5F56C6C0D50478640B481995F59EC5930B0E4@blreml501-mbx> <89B8ADE3FCE00949A81712D0B9A39C0E1797E853@NLAMSMBX13.LYV.LiveNation.com> <97E5F56C6C0D50478640B481995F59EC5930B2D9@blreml501-mbx> <89B8ADE3FCE00949A81712D0B9A39C0E1797E8FB@NLAMSMBX13.LYV.LiveNation.com> <230552088-1372430846-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1349498894-@b18.c6.bise7.blackberry> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:50:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Business Analysts in Hadoop World From: Peyman Mohajerian To: user@hadoop.apache.org Cc: saigraph@yahoo.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011761c9bc190a04e0646ded X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --089e011761c9bc190a04e0646ded Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would say as a BA you definitely don't have to bother with Java and the goal of open source big data is not to have people work with Java. If you get familiar with Hive and HQL it will help you a lot. A lot of organizations are entering into this space from DW/BI background and none have to do Java. Even if you do want do some low level data analysis, Python would be better from your point of view (the language of a lot of Data Science guys). Java is great if you want to start contributing to the code base or writing the most optimized queries or understand the low level implementations. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Michael Aro wrote= : > Hi Vijay, > > Scott Gnau of Teradata Labs mentioned something related in the recent > Hadoop summit in San Jose. The title of his presentation was "Putting > Hadoop to Work in the Enterprise" and you can watch the video via this > link: http://hadoopsummit.org/san-jose/keynote-day1/. He mentioned the > business analyst around time 07:00 in the video. All the videos were grea= t! > > Mike. > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM, wrote: > >> Is Data scientist in hadoop same as BA in IT. >> Sent from BlackBerry=AE on Airtel >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Michael Forage >> *Date: *Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:57:24 +0000 >> *To: *user@hadoop.apache.org >> *ReplyTo: * user@hadoop.apache.org >> *Subject: *RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World >> >> Hi Vijay**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I=92m afraid I=92m not experienced or specialised enough in either Hadoo= p or >> the broader Big data industry to give any advice on career paths**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Obviously different organisations expect completely different levels of >> technical contribution from their Business Analysts but in my experience >> the ability to collect, evaluate and interpret business requirements int= o >> some kind of functional specification document is key. The responsibilit= y >> for subsequent technical specifications based applied knowledge of the b= ig >> data tools at disposal will probably sit with your Solution Architect. >> Often a BA wouldn=92t care how a solution is implemented under the cover= s. >> However, in the same way that a BA may define user-flows in a use-case t= hey >> could outline a conceptual data processing flow if they understand the >> source data and requirements well enough.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> There are so many new tools and technologies in this space already that, >> unless you have a specific requirement to meet, it can be pretty >> overwhelming. I=92d just start by concentrating on getting an understand= ing >> of map reduce concepts. Sure, it always helps if you=92ve the time to ge= t >> some hands-on technical experience but that=92s not a trivial undertaki= ng >> from a standing start and it may be completely irrelevant for you in the >> long run as that=92s not what a BA is paid to do.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Sorry I can=92t be more help**** >> >> Mike**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Vijaya Narayana Reddy Bhoomi Reddy [mailto: >> vijaya.bhoomi@huawei.com] >> *Sent:* 28 June 2013 14:10 >> *To:* user@hadoop.apache.org >> *Subject:* RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Michael,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks for your advice. I am just confused because I could not see a >> clear career path for Business Analysts in the Hadoop world. May be >> because, it=92s an evolving field or maybe I am not yet aware of the sam= e >> despite reading some primary content on the internet. However, I firmly >> believe the Big Data space is going to be very big in the next years and= I >> would like to be part of it and contribute. I would like to know from yo= u >> more on the role and responsibilities a BA can perform in this space and >> the possible areas / technologies which I need myself to be prepared for= . >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> Vijay**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Michael Forage [mailto:Michael.Forage@livenation.co.uk] >> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 5:23 PM >> *To:* user@hadoop.apache.org >> *Subject:* RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hi Vijay**** >> >> **** >> >> My advice is to carefully consider the scope of the role you=92re aiming= for >> **** >> >> **** >> >> As a BA I expect that you=92d be able to add value by understanding your >> business data processing challenges and turning them into specifications >> for map/reduce jobs. This doesn=92t require you to have any Java coding >> skills as such, just a good handle of the map/reduce concepts. It also >> helps if you understand common use-cases associated with these technolog= ies >> (as it=92s really an ecosystem of related toolsets) as well as what they= =92re >> not so good for.**** >> >> **** >> >> This would allow you to contribute to solution design on behalf of the >> business but assumes you=92re not concerned with the actual >> implementation/administration side of things. Definitely only bother >> re-learning Java if you=92re going to be the one writing the code. You d= o >> need to have had experience of working with data of some kind (this is a >> data processing environment at the end of the day) but simply reading a >> decent Hadoop book and googling a few websites should give you a decent >> enough background as a BA**** >> >> **** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> Mike**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Lokesh Basu [mailto:lokesh.basu@gmail.com ] >> >> *Sent:* 28 June 2013 12:35 >> *To:* user@hadoop.apache.org >> *Subject:* Re: Business Analysts in Hadoop World**** >> >> **** >> >> Dear Vijay, >> >> If you are a beginner in the open source project then I would recommend >> you to first get familiar with Java and some version control system and >> then go to this (http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/HowToContribute) page. >> >> If you are not aware of the Hadoop project then you should go through >> some online text/videos to get the insight. >> >> Best of luck**** >> >> >> **** >> >> >> *Lokesh Chandra Basu***** >> >> B. Tech**** >> >> Computer Science and Engineering**** >> >> Indian Institute of Technology, Roorkee**** >> >> India(GMT +5hr 30min)**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Vijaya Narayana Reddy Bhoomi Reddy < >> vijaya.bhoomi@huawei.com> wrote:**** >> >> Hi,**** >> >> **** >> >> I am just trying to get myself acquainted with Hadoop and other related >> technologies. I am very much fascinated with the potential of the Big Da= ta >> world and hence would like to be part of it!! **** >> >> However, it has been a while I have done any coding. Earlier for a brief >> period of time during early days of my career, I have done some work in >> Java. All these days, I am working as a Business Analyst in the CRM spac= e. >> **** >> >> **** >> >> =B7 Before I start exploring Hadoop world, I would like to hear >> your thoughts on the following queries:**** >> >> **** >> >> =B7 Being a business analyst, what would be the possible career >> opportunities in the Hadoop space?**** >> >> **** >> >> =B7 Is it necessary to have a strong technical background before >> jumping into Hadoop? If so, which technologies need to be learnt primari= ly? >> Java, SQL etc?**** >> >> **** >> >> =B7 What are the various certifications available in the Hadoop >> world? Are there any certifications for Business Analysts?**** >> >> **** >> >> Please let me know your valuable thoughts.**** >> >> **** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> Vijay**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *Michael Forage* | Solutions Architect - Insight Services >> Email: Michael.Forage@livenation.co.uk | Tel: +44 207 980 4362 | Mob: +4= 4 >> 7808 174404 >> Address: 4 Pentonville Road | London | N1 9HF | United Kingdom**** >> >> Live Nation Limited, Registered Office: 2nd Floor, Regent Arcade House >> 19-25 Argyll Street, London, W1F 7TS. Company Number 03805556. Registere= d >> in England and Wales.**** >> >> This message is confidential and may be legally privileged or otherwise >> protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment >> from your system; you must not copy or disclose the contents of this >> message or any attachment to any other person.**** >> > > --089e011761c9bc190a04e0646ded Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would say as a BA you definitely don't have to bothe= r with Java and the goal of open source big data is not to have people work= with Java. If you get familiar with Hive and HQL it will help you a lot. A= lot of organizations are entering into this space from DW/BI background an= d none have to do Java. Even if you do want do some low level data analysis= , Python would be better from your point of view (the language of a lot of = Data Science guys). Java is great if you want to start contributing to the = code base or writing the most optimized queries or understand the low level= implementations.



On = Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Michael Aro <m.michael.aro@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike.


On Fri, Jun= 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM, <saigraph@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Data scientist in had= oop same as BA in IT.
Sent from BlackBerry=AE on Airtel
From: Michael Forage <Michael.Forage@livenation.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:57:24 +0000
Subject: RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World<= /div>

Hi Vijay

=A0<= /p>

I=92m afraid I=92m not ex= perienced or specialised enough in either Hadoop or the broader Big data in= dustry to give any advice on career paths

=A0<= /p>

Obviously different organ= isations expect completely different levels of technical contribution from = their Business Analysts but in my experience the ability to collect, evaluate and interpret business requirements into some kind of= functional specification document is key. The responsibility for subsequen= t technical specifications based applied knowledge of the big data tools at= disposal will probably sit with your Solution Architect. Often a BA wouldn=92t care how a solution is impl= emented under the covers. However, in the same way that a BA may define use= r-flows in a use-case they could outline a conceptual data processing flow = if they understand the source data and requirements well enough.

=A0<= /p>

There are so many new too= ls and technologies in this space already that, unless you have a specific = requirement to meet, it can be pretty overwhelming. I=92d just start by concentrating on getting an understanding of map reduce conc= epts. Sure, it always helps if you=92ve the time to get some hands-on techn= ical =A0experience but that=92s not a trivial undertaking from a standing s= tart and it may be completely irrelevant for you in the long run as that=92s not what a BA is paid to do.=

=A0<= /p>

Sorry I can=92t be more h= elp

Mike=

=A0<= /p>

From: Vijaya Narayana Reddy Bhoomi Reddy [mailto:vijaya.bhoomi@huawei.co= m]
Sent: 28 June 2013 14:10
To: user= @hadoop.apache.org
Subject: RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World<= /p>

=A0

Michael,

=A0=

Thanks for= your advice. I am just confused because I could not see a clear career pat= h for Business Analysts in the Hadoop world. May be because, it=92s an evolving field or maybe I am not yet aware of the same despite r= eading some primary content on the internet. However, I firmly believe the = Big Data space is going to be very big in the next years and I would like t= o be part of it and contribute. I would like to know from you more on the role and responsibilities a BA can= perform in this space and the possible areas / technologies which I need m= yself to be prepared for.

=A0=

Thanks<= /u>

Vijay

=A0=

From: Michael Forage [mailto:Michael.Forage@livenation.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:23 PM
To: user= @hadoop.apache.org
Subject: RE: Business Analysts in Hadoop World<= /p>

=A0

Hi Vijay=

=A0<= /p>

My advice is to carefully= consider the scope of the role you=92re aiming for

=A0<= /p>

As a BA I expect that you= =92d be able to add value by understanding your business data processing ch= allenges and turning them into specifications for map/reduce jobs. This doesn=92t require you to have any Java coding skills as such, j= ust a good handle of the map/reduce concepts. It also helps if you understa= nd common use-cases associated with these technologies (as it=92s really an= ecosystem of related toolsets) as well as what they=92re not so good for.

=A0<= /p>

This would allow you to c= ontribute to solution design on behalf of the business but assumes you=92re= not concerned with the actual implementation/administration side of things. Definitely only bother re-learning Java if you=92re going = to be the one writing the code. You do need to have had experience of worki= ng with data of some kind (this is a data processing environment at the end= of the day) but simply reading a decent Hadoop book and googling a few websites should give you a decent en= ough background as a BA

=A0<= /p>

Cheers

Mike=

=A0<= /p>

From: Lokesh Basu [mailto:lokesh.basu@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2013 12:35
To: user= @hadoop.apache.org
Subject: Re: Business Analysts in Hadoop World<= /p>

=A0

Dear Vijay,

If you are a beginner in the open source project then I would recommend you= to first get familiar with Java and some version control system and then g= o to this (http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/HowToContribute) page.=A0

If you are not aware of the Hadoop project then you should go through some = online text/videos to get the insight.

Best of luck



Lokesh Chandra Basu

B. Tech=

Computer Science and Enginee= ring

Indian Institute of Technolo= gy,=A0Roorkee

India(GMT +5hr= 30min)

=A0

=A0

=A0

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Vijaya Narayana Red= dy Bhoomi Reddy <vijaya.bhoomi@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi,

=A0

I am ju= st trying to get myself acquainted with Hadoop and other related technologi= es. I am very much fascinated with the potential of the Big Data world and = hence would like to be part of it!!

However= , it has been a while I have done any coding. Earlier for a brief period of time during early days of my career, I have done some work in Java. All th= ese days, I am working as a Business Analyst in the CRM space.

=A0

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Before I start explorin= g Hadoop world, I would like to hear your thoughts on the following qu= eries:

=A0

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Being a business analys= t, what would be the possible career opportunities in the Hadoop space?

=A0

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Is it necessary to have= a strong technical background before jumping into Hadoop? If so, which tec= hnologies need to be learnt primarily? Java, SQL etc?

=A0

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 What are the various ce= rtifications available in the Hadoop world? Are there any certifications fo= r Business Analysts?

=A0

Please = let me know your valuable thoughts.

=A0

Thanks<= /span>

Vijay

=A0

Michael ForageMichael.Forage@livenation.co.uk | Tel: +44 207 980 4362 | = Mob: +44 7808 174404
Address: 4 Pentonville Road | London | N1 9HF | United Kingdom

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