Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1242DD42 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 65310 invoked by uid 500); 15 Aug 2012 02:42:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-user-archive@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 65200 invoked by uid 500); 15 Aug 2012 02:42:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@hadoop.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 65192 invoked by uid 99); 15 Aug 2012 02:42:19 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:42:19 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of michael_segel@hotmail.com designates 65.55.111.100 as permitted sender) Received: from [65.55.111.100] (HELO blu0-omc2-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.100) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:42:09 +0000 Received: from BLU0-SMTP155 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:41:48 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [173.15.87.37] X-EIP: [GKSlsoosNYrrdocwAcrgKL/Gc6fb7SC3] X-Originating-Email: [michael_segel@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([173.15.87.37]) by BLU0-SMTP155.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:41:47 -0700 From: Michael Segel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_02B887B8-57BF-4286-8E3F-5B6755B10E2C" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: New Production Cluster Criticisms/Advice Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:42:00 -0500 References: To: user@hadoop.apache.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2012 02:41:47.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[83BC9A60:01CD7A8F] --Apple-Mail=_02B887B8-57BF-4286-8E3F-5B6755B10E2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Real clusters are a tad harder than the pseudo cluster. You may want to consider EMR where you can choose between Amazon's = Hadoop release (Its Apache), MapR M3 or MapR M5 On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Eli Finkelshteyn = wrote: > Hey Mohammad, > Thanks for the reply. I've been using Hadoop and Pig for a while, and = I've setup a pseudo-cluster before. I've just never setup anything = production-scale yet and wanted advice on that. >=20 > Cheers,=20 >=20 > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Mohammad Tariq = wrote: > Hello Eli, >=20 > If this is your first time with Hadoop then I would suggest to = configure a cluster locally just to get yourself familiar with Hadoop(a = pseudo setup would do). >=20 > For your analytical stuff you can have a look at Pig, another member = of the Hadoop ecosystem. It's a dataflow language that makes analytics = really easy. >=20 > As a data store Hbase would definitely be a good move. >=20 > For data aggregation, you can also have a look at Flume and Chukwa, = apart from Scribe.=20 >=20 > On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Eli Finkelshteyn = wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I'm going to be setting up my first new production cluster soon, and = was hoping to get some advice and criticism on my current plan of = action. Here's my current plan: > > Background/Requirements: > > I'm setting this up for a start-up that's not gathering very big = data yet, but will be in the next few months (I hope, anyway). I'd like = to use the cluster for a few things, at least at first: > > 1. logging stuff it doesn't make sense to write to a normal database = (as well as duplicates of what I am throwing in my database so I can use = that stuff from HDFS later on). Basically, just logging a ton of = information I might want for analytics/model training later. > > 2. analytics processing. > > 3. model training (for machine learning). I'll primarily do this = through Mahout. > > 4. will probably want hbase on there as well for real time reading = of some data. I'm not married to this, and haven't played around much = with hbase yet, but wanted to leave the possibility open. > > The Plan: > > I'm thinking I'll set this up in Amazon. We have most of the rest of = our hardware there, and I really like the option to be able to spin up a = bunch of extra workers at will to have them train some ML model for me = and then kill them off. For now, just to get things off the ground, I'm = going to setup a small 4 machine cluster (1 NameNode, 1 = SecondaryNameNode/JobTracker, 2 DataNode/TaskTrackers). I'll start = playing around with that setup, and will add more to it as needed. Since = everything will be puppetized, adding more machines shouldn't be too bad = (I think). I've been using Cloudera so far, and I haven't seen any good = reason to switch, so I'll use CDH4. For logging, I'll just use scribe = and wind up storing stuff as lzos (a good tutorial on the best way to do = this would be awesome). > > Thoughts? > > Eli >=20 > --=20 > Regards, > Mohammad Tariq >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_02B887B8-57BF-4286-8E3F-5B6755B10E2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Real clusters are a tad harder than the pseudo cluster.

You may want to consider EMR where you can choose between Amazon's Hadoop release (Its Apache), MapR M3 or MapR M5


On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Eli Finkelshteyn <iefinkel@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Mohammad,
Thanks for the reply. I've been using Hadoop and Pig for a while, and I've setup a pseudo-cluster before. I've just never setup anything production-scale yet and wanted advice on that.

Cheers, 

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Mohammad Tariq <dontariq@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Eli,

    If this is your first time with Hadoop then I would suggest to configure a cluster locally just to get yourself familiar with Hadoop(a pseudo setup would do).

For your analytical stuff you can have a look at Pig, another member of the Hadoop ecosystem. It's a dataflow language that makes analytics really easy.

As a data store Hbase would definitely be a good move.

For data aggregation, you can also have a look at Flume and Chukwa, apart from Scribe.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Eli Finkelshteyn <iefinkel@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Folks,
> I'm going to be setting up my first new production cluster soon, and was hoping to get some advice and criticism on my current plan of action. Here's my current plan:
> Background/Requirements:
> I'm setting this up for a start-up that's not gathering very big data yet, but will be in the next few months (I hope, anyway). I'd like to use the cluster for a few things, at least at first:
> 1. logging stuff it doesn't make sense to write to a normal database (as well as duplicates of what I am throwing in my database so I can use that stuff from HDFS later on). Basically, just logging a ton of information I might want for analytics/model training later.
> 2. analytics processing.
> 3. model training (for machine learning). I'll primarily do this through Mahout.
> 4. will probably want hbase on there as well for real time reading of some data. I'm not married to this, and haven't played around much with hbase yet, but wanted to leave the possibility open.
> The Plan:
> I'm thinking I'll set this up in Amazon. We have most of the rest of our hardware there, and I really like the option to be able to spin up a bunch of extra workers at will to have them train some ML model for me and then kill them off. For now, just to get things off the ground, I'm going to setup a small 4 machine cluster (1 NameNode, 1 SecondaryNameNode/JobTracker, 2 DataNode/TaskTrackers). I'll start playing around with that setup, and will add more to it as needed. Since everything will be puppetized, adding more machines shouldn't be too bad (I think). I've been using Cloudera so far, and I haven't seen any good reason to switch, so I'll use CDH4. For logging, I'll just use scribe and wind up storing stuff as lzos (a good tutorial on the best way to do this would be awesome).
> Thoughts?
> Eli

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Regards,
    Mohammad Tariq



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