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From Jeff Zhang <zjf...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP
Date Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:04:24 GMT
Great, +1

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Olga Natkovich <olgan@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dmitriy Ryaboy [mailto:dvryaboy@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:00 PM
> To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP
>
> This sounds reasonable. +1.
> -D
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Alan Gates <gates@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
>
> > Five months ago I started a discussion on whether Pig should become a top
> > level project (TLP) at Apache instead of remaining a subproject of Hadoop
> (
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3C006AEA7C-8829-4788-AD7B-822396FA2E6B@yahoo-inc.com%3E
> ).
> >  At the time I voted against it (
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3CF1484964-E774-48B7-9D45-6E57C7B09251@yahoo-inc.com%3E
> ),
> > as did many others.  However, I would like to restart that discussion
> now.
> >
> > I gave several reasons for voting against it :
> >
> > First, I was worried that by loosing our connection to Hadoop, Pig would
> > loose its source of new users.  I have since been assured by Hadoop
> members
> > that Pig would be free to keep our tab on their page (as Hbase has).
>  Also,
> > obviously we would still be welcomed at Hadoop get togethers such as the
> > various HUGs, Hadoop Summits, etc.  So our connection does not seem in
> > danger.
> >
> > Two, I was concerned that by not being members of the Hadoop community we
> > would loose influence with Hadoop.  It is true that Pig developers will
> have
> > to stay active in the Hadoop community, which will put a slightly extra
> > burden on them.  But they are already bearing this burden, and whether or
> > not the communities are governed by the same or separate PMCs will not
> > affect this.
> >
> > Finally, I said that philosophically it makes sense to me that all Hadoop
> > related projects should stay under one umbrella.  This still makes sense
> to
> > me, and I do see this as a downside of Pig moving out of Hadoop.
> >
> > In addition to the above, a few other things have happened over the
> > intervening months to cause me to reconsider.  Most importantly, it has
> > become clear to me that Pig is operating as if it were a TLP inside
> Hadoop.
> >  We have four members on the Hadoop PMC, which means we have sufficient
> > votes to elect our committers and release our products.
> >
> > Also, several Hadoop PMC members who have long experience in Apache
> > projects have made clear to me that they believe Pig is ready to be a
> TLP.
> >
> > I was also concerned about diversity in our PMC, since our project is
> Yahoo
> > heavy.  Given that 10 out of 12 committers are Yahoo employees we need to
> > work on this.  But we do have experienced committers in three different
> > organizations, and I think this gives us sufficient base to to work on it
> as
> > a TLP.
> >
> > So, in summary, I have switched my view on this from "not yet" to "now is
> a
> > good time".  I think Pig is ready to be a TLP.  We have a community of
> > contributors and users that is growing both in numbers and in diversity.
>  We
> > have a strong group of committers who I believe are ready to take on
> > leadership of the project and who will benefit from being mentored by the
> > larger Apache community.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Alan.
> >
>



-- 
Best Regards

Jeff Zhang

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