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From Deepak Goel <deic...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: "Big Data" Problem
Date Thu, 26 May 2016 00:02:14 GMT
I totally agree with everyone and some final parting thoughts on everyone's

1. I do not know of any work laws in India (I am out of India) which deals
on ethics. Even if they are there, they must be in books.

2. I cannot personally afford to consult a lawyer on this. As for my
company, I am too small time a guy to suggest them anything on legal
matters. I can always voice my thought out but that's about it. Quitting
for ethical reasons could be one option, but then i would be just plainly
running away from the problem like an ostrich (Also my & my family survival
depends on this job)

3. About whether this is a appropriate question for this mailing list is
for everyone to decide. I had checked Hadoop's instructions on the mailing
list and this is what they had to say:

*The user@ mailing list is the preferred mailing list for end-user
questions and discussion.*

So it does not really draws the line between what can be asked and what
cannot be asked. Anyways I agree it was my mistake to post in this forum
and I am sorry for that (It is just that I haven't eaten and slept for the
past couple of days because of this matter and one can hardly understand
'courtly and well-bred behaviour' when I am so pale)

4. I did read and had a discussion about what can be used as information in
corporate banking. But it is too vague, subjective. Does anyone has a link
on this? Also from personal experience, I have seen companies especially
banks go to lengths which are completely unethical and illegal (like
recovery of loans and bad debts from poor people). And they don't stop at
anything. I am not blaming any particular bank or person, but I guess it is
just the nature of business. It is for us an individual to decide what kind
of technology we are building and how it can be misused. Will it be used
for war? Will it be used for terrorism? Will it be used harassing poor &
unfortunate people? How can we build technology which will provide
safeguards against these matters for the sake of humanity and life as a

*Overall, I am sorry once again for posting this discussion on this group.
I will sort this matter out on my own. Thank you everyone for your effort
and time.*



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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Tom Deutsch <tdeutsch@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> I would politely remind you that, per the note that Chris sent, this is
> not really the best discussion for this community.
> I would also suggest that you may want to better understand permissible
> use of information in a corporate banking context before suggesting
> something is unethical.
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> [image: Inactive hide details for Deepak Goel ---05/24/2016 08:16:40
> PM---I did discuss with the product owner. It seems, it is a busin]Deepak
> Goel ---05/24/2016 08:16:40 PM---I did discuss with the product owner. It
> seems, it is a business requirement and we cannot question
> From: Deepak Goel <deicool@gmail.com>
> To: Suvro Choudhury <suvro.choudhury@gmail.com>
> Cc: Chris Nauroth <cnauroth@hortonworks.com>, "user@hadoop.apache.org" <
> user@hadoop.apache.org>
> Date: 05/24/2016 08:16 PM
> Subject: Re: "Big Data" Problem
> ------------------------------
> I did discuss with the product owner. It seems, it is a business
> requirement and we cannot question the customer on whether their need is
> valid or not (Or is it legal or ethical).
> I was wondering, (on a technical level!), can't we incorporate a change in
> Hadoop, whereby it allows the parent entity (in this case the corporate
> account) to only connect to the child entity (personal account) if there is
> a confirmation received from the customer~child entity (through email, sms,
> whatsapp, etc).
> I am sure this is not a one~off case and would be applicable everywhere
> (In most business needs where we are connecting different systems together
> and are bound to raise legal & moral questions)
> Hey
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> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Suvro Choudhury <
> *suvro.choudhury@gmail.com* <suvro.choudhury@gmail.com>> wrote:
>    IMHO, you should discuss this with your product owner /business
>    customer since this relates to the requirement. This forum is for purely
>    technical questions, although I agree as human being we need to be
>    sensitive about these.
>    You can also try posting to Quora and see what folks think.
>    Cheers!
>    On May 24, 2016 2:29 PM, "Deepak Goel" <*deicool@gmail.com*
>    <deicool@gmail.com>> wrote:
>    Hmm..i understand what you are saying Chris :)
>    However it is like that. You are building a knife (Hadoop in this
>    case) and you would know that you would kill someone by it. Would you build
>    the knife at all (So it is about Hadoop also in some sense. But as pointed
>    about by you, it is not a technical question. However it is about usage of
>    Hadoop)?
>    Anyways sorry if I have taken up time of everyone :-(
>    Hey
>    Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>       --
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>    Deepak
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>    On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Chris Nauroth <
>    *cnauroth@hortonworks.com* <cnauroth@hortonworks.com>> wrote:
>    Hello Deepak,
>       This is a fascinating question, but it's not the right forum.  This
>       list is for questions on usage of Apache Hadoop.  I don't see anything
>       about Hadoop in your question.  Even if the software in question involves
>       Hadoop, it's not a question about usage.  Unfortunately, I'm not aware of a
>       more appropriate forum for this question, so I don't have a recommendation
>       for where to take this.
>       --Chris Nauroth
>       *From: *Deepak Goel <*deicool@gmail.com* <deicool@gmail.com>>
> * Date: *Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:59 PM
> * To: *"*user@hadoop.apache.org* <user@hadoop.apache.org>" <
>       *user@hadoop.apache.org* <user@hadoop.apache.org>>
> * Subject: *"Big Data" Problem
>       Hey
>       Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>       (Sorry, as this might not be the right question for this forum.
>       However am not sure which other forum would be able to address this problem)
>       I work for a "Big Data" company and we are supposed to provide the
>       technology to a bank which will link the corporate accounts and savings
>       accounts of a customer.
>       So if a bank has given a corporate loan to a company and the
>       company does not dole out some payments from its savings account, then the
>       bank should warn itself and take action against the company as there might
>       be a probability that the company might default on its loan.
>       Now we would be providing the technology however it is not
>       completely ethical to link the corporate account to the savings account of
>       the customer company. However the bank is saying, as it has all the data it
>       can link it without any hassle. Even without informing customers.
>       This problem is similar to the "Nuclear problem" where the
>       physicist provided the nuclear technology to build nuclear bombs, but said
>       that they just provided the technology. But it is for the politicians to
>       decide whether or not to use nuclear bombs on civilians. And hence there is
>       no moral obligation on the physicist.
>       What do you think I should do? Is there a problem at all or am i
>       just over imagining things? Should I provide the technology to the bank to
>       link the two accounts?
>       Thank You
>       Deepak
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