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From "Suresh Srinivas (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (HDFS-7122) Use of ThreadLocal<Random> results in poor block placement
Date Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:51:34 GMT

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Suresh Srinivas commented on HDFS-7122:
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I think the fact that the problem has been identified and we have solved it is all that matters.
Only suggestion I would make is to make the discussion public on the jira so that others who
are not privy to it have the background.

I think [~andrew.wang], [~szetszwo], and [~tlipcon], if there are anything that need to be
sorted out, please take it up in an email. We have all collaborated on HDFS for a long time.
Continuing this conversation in the jira adds much to the issue we are discussing. If you
guys want to meet for a beer, it is on me :)


> Use of ThreadLocal<Random> results in poor block placement
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HDFS-7122
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HDFS-7122
>             Project: Hadoop HDFS
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: namenode
>    Affects Versions: 2.3.0
>         Environment: medium-large environments with 100's to 1000's of DNs will be most
affected, but potentially all environments.
>            Reporter: Jeff Buell
>            Assignee: Andrew Wang
>            Priority: Blocker
>              Labels: performance
>             Fix For: 2.6.0
>
>         Attachments: copies_per_slave.jpg, hdfs-7122-cdh5.1.2-testing.001.patch, hdfs-7122.001.patch
>
>
> Summary:
> Since HDFS-6268, the distribution of replica block copies across the DataNodes (replicas
2,3,... as distinguished from the first "primary" replica) is extremely poor, to the point
that TeraGen slows down by as much as 3X for certain configurations.  This is almost certainly
due to the introduction of Thread Local Random in HDFS-6268.  The mechanism appears to be
that this change causes all the random numbers in the threads to be correlated, thus preventing
a truly random choice of DN for each replica copy.
> Testing details:
> 1 TB TeraGen on 638 slave nodes (virtual machines on 32 physical hosts), 256MB block
size.  This results in 6 "primary" blocks on each DN.  With replication=3, there will be on
average 12 more copies on each DN that are copies of blocks from other DNs.  Because of the
random selection of DNs, exactly 12 copies are not expected, but I found that about 160 DNs
(1/4 of all DNs!) received absolutely no copies, while one DN received over 100 copies, and
the elapsed time increased by about 3X from a pre-HDFS-6268 distro.  There was no pattern
to which DNs didn't receive copies, nor was the set of such DNs repeatable run-to-run. In
addition to the performance problem, there could be capacity problems due to one or a few
DNs running out of space. Testing was done on CDH 5.0.0 (before) and CDH 5.1.2 (after), but
I don't see a significant difference from the Apache Hadoop source in this regard. The workaround
to recover the previous behavior is to set dfs.namenode.handler.count=1 but of course this
has scaling implications for large clusters.
> I recommend that the ThreadLocal Random part of HDFS-6268 be reverted until a better
algorithm can be implemented and tested.  Testing should include a case with many DNs and
a small number of blocks on each.
> It should also be noted that even pre-HDFS-6268, the random choice of DN algorithm produces
a rather non-uniform distribution of copies.  This is not due to any bug, but purely a case
of random distributions being much less uniform than one might intuitively expect. In the
above case, pre-HDFS-6268 yields something like a range of 3 to 25 block copies on each DN.
Surprisingly, the performance penalty of this non-uniformity is not as big as might be expected
(maybe only 10-20%), but HDFS should do better, and in any case the capacity issue remains.
 Round-robin choice of DN?  Better awareness of which DNs currently store fewer blocks? It's
not sufficient that the total number of blocks is similar on each DN at the end, but that
at each point in time no individual DN receives a disproportionate number of blocks at once
(which could be a danger of a RR algorithm).
> Probably should limit this jira to tracking the ThreadLocal issue, and track the random
choice issue in another one.



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