Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hadoop-hdfs-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-hdfs-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E53C817FD1 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58955 invoked by uid 500); 26 Sep 2014 00:55:13 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-hdfs-dev-archive@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 58851 invoked by uid 500); 26 Sep 2014 00:55:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: hdfs-dev@hadoop.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list hdfs-dev@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 58837 invoked by uid 99); 26 Sep 2014 00:55:12 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:55:12 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of andrew.wang@cloudera.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.181] (HELO mail-wi0-f181.google.com) (209.85.212.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:55:07 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z2so10567522wiv.14 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8CKa74iUPcFQYklWnSNtYeFAS+1nM6ZTNiLxYDUoYVs=; b=lJ9fj2t0tcgOl5Gof3jVQFTcHWha2axX7k3AizpqCqWfylKN+EJgpU1RCTQ9tJpYh3 7r0QGRM8yjYrmGuQeokeoYuc9i1DpjOIRKtlWB4fxSEoKVeFMTelv5I/Ms4eIzEXcN0F GR2pFwWmwHSj+qh9atWb+nHjNBvthXTaIfAvH3E+CpY0o6+MdxByVfQvBDY2FII+FKjb /ku8xV/CAXx15pzz/AG1SRwBdAQvxCcE48Ct8T2jUtMztcQBR+Y6JiBwPf1UK/BErlJM k++a/DO+tBTywGF1gIBswecC82uD3it70H/TH3bPV7EYucmO7RbKA/hGYcbobRqgdxP/ A1ww== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnLo0cr0xFyVGluyUFi890LEJDqE5QouyczveaTqEtIxBk66bcUp2hn72HbBE7EaRUWvlWK X-Received: by 10.194.77.195 with SMTP id u3mr88027wjw.115.1411692886177; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.184.145 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:54:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Andrew Wang Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:54:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Merge HDFS-6581 to trunk - Writing to replicas in memory. To: "hdfs-dev@hadoop.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd91e840353920503ed5db9 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --047d7bd91e840353920503ed5db9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 -0. The goal of this feature is to improve write performance. I thought it was thus reasonable for me to ask for write benchmarks. However, this request was not received warmly. For a performance oriented feature, I expected that benchmarks would have been run both to guide the design and evaluate the implementation. Doing so only after a merge vote is called, and only after repeated requests, is unorthodox to say the least. My questions about plans to further improve performance were also not received warmly. Based on the microbenchmark results, we're still not at a significant fraction of memory bandwidth. What I've been looking for are plans to get us there, so we could evaluate how those plans might interact with this feature. I know Arpit had prototyped short-circuit writes a while ago, and SCW has the potential to take us well past 39% gains. However, apparently there are no future plans in this direction. So, -0. I think this merge vote was called prematurely, and some of the merge-related interactions have had a tinge of hostility. However, I also agree with Suresh that merging this will likely not affect the stability of existing features, and ultimately, I respect all of you as developers and clearly you all want this in now. I've always valued our collaboration on the project and I hope can continue fruitfully into the future, I just also hope we can do it with the intensity dialed down. Best, Andrew --047d7bd91e840353920503ed5db9--