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From Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vino...@hortonworks.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release plan for Hadoop 2.0.5
Date Sat, 11 May 2013 01:05:51 GMT

That's a problem, if it isn't in the vote as to what feature in progress is being proposed
to be included and what is excluded, how can we expect to vote?


On May 9, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Konstantin Shvachko wrote:

> Vinod,
> I did ask Arun for the set of features for the release, and did ask to put
> it on vote.
> It is deep in the discussion thread, but you can find it.
> Thank you for voting,
> --Konst
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <
> vinodkv@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>> Confused and thought this was dead as the discussion was happening in
>> parallel. I wish this vote was retracted while the discussion reaches some
>> conclusion.
>> My concerns:
>> - As you noted in the by-laws, this plan should also nominate the RM. Or
>> if Arun is doing this, he should accept this? And may be call the vote for
>> release plan himself? The bylaws aren't clear about this, but that only
>> seems natural - you manage a release and so you call for a vote on the
>> plan, no?
>> - It's not clear what happens of features that are half-way through. That
>> needs to be spelled out.
>> - Even otherwise, we can always add features without destabilizing the
>> current release at all if we can switch the feature off with one flag.
>> Arguable on a case-by-case basis but possible.
>> - Also,  it isn't always clear what a feature is and what isn't. For e.g,
>> the ResourceManager restart work in YARN can be called a feature or a bug
>> depending on the context.
>> In all the above cases, we should discuss on whether a feature can be
>> merged in or not on a case-by-case basis instead of a blanket no.
>> -1 (binding)
>> Thanks,
>> +Vinod
>> Side note: The bylaws repeatedly talk of "active committers" and "active
>> PMC members", it makes sense, but we should clarify that.
>> On May 1, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Konstantin Shvachko wrote:
>>> Please vote on the following plan for Hadoop release 2.0.5
>>> - bug fixes encountered in current release 2.0.4-alpha
>>> - make all API changes to allow freezing them post 2.0.5
>>> - no new features
>>> As discussed on @dev thread
>>> http://s.apache.org/fs
>>> this will allow to stabilize 2.0 branch in a short and predictable period
>>> of time.
>>> This enables a powerful option to have the release tested at Yahoo scale.
>>> The plan is to follow up with 2.1.0 - the stable release.
>>> New features can and should be added on top of the stable release once it
>>> is out.
>>> Hadoop by-laws:
>>> http://hadoop.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>> "Release Plan
>>> Defines the timetable and actions for a release. The plan also nominates
>> a
>>> Release Manager.
>>> Lazy majority of active committers"
>>> assume nomination of a Release Manager with the plan.
>>> It would be really good if Arun continues if this plan is adopted.
>>> We can return to the RM topic if not.
>>> The vote will run for 7 days until next Wed, May 8th.
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Konstantin

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