Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hadoop-general-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-general-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 398E79EBD for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28231 invoked by uid 500); 31 Aug 2012 22:43:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-general-archive@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 28161 invoked by uid 500); 31 Aug 2012 22:43:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@hadoop.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 28150 invoked by uid 99); 31 Aug 2012 22:43:38 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:43:38 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.210.48] (HELO mail-pz0-f48.google.com) (209.85.210.48) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:43:29 +0000 Received: by dadz8 with SMTP id z8so2747221dad.35 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=jAVFMDTVEaNCbMK5luc9khKn85WJeEtY0VFRUIAG5RE=; b=FU714reoIzfNTnlJ9LtoJsfEHIGPj7y43sTX9q6/BfqPL4TIzGmU3DabmO4gKWFWzk vbqt8Ae+x4iImD7ccDlHoMC3j/L+HjssBHXTssrJK1OTY5l8pEc/p3nQ6g+Z6ePjAtm0 GuapLXtcsZ5DbcF3CR9hffvux6YmTwDm7dritu9CIe23/Iw7i3jcoG/qM3BLX7SGoERw 28+YfrcnkLDAqsqfMPelh+RlyqUp008hKCpekeWRrJ2zqqzkJG116riFannJemkPTJeX 1pF5lvLB6762S7c5x2NXuEf1NljQkU0kuiF7EGVq/+lb1sPAoxpFkmg9jtjkJmNaF8Ky ldYg== Received: by 10.68.229.228 with SMTP id st4mr19956300pbc.106.1346452987642; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.179] (70-35-59-5.static.wiline.com. [70.35.59.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ko8sm4290455pbc.40.2012.08.31.15.43.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Spin out MR, HDFS and YARN as their own TLPs and disband Hadoop umbrella project From: Eric Baldeschwieler In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:43:07 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0C112F45-3130-4093-B0F2-2D1F02B8C84C@jpl.nasa.gov> <897DECF2-B806-469D-BC78-88D1A63583A7@hortonworks.com> <20120829234728.GI32535@linspire.com> <2D356EF8-C7E2-4A3C-85F1-19C2B12D69FA@hortonworks.com> To: general@hadoop.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkUSWmBLpF1xznnAb3Rb/qZeZdLo9VAeVi5U5g8aEfzf4ECJkOZn/koNd1xLg898zM1w2L+ I'd be fascinated to hear more from folks who have lead other projects = at Apache how Hadoop's (and Lucene's, same DNA) committer management = process compares and some good and bad lessons learned from those = projects. Chris M has mentioned his experience from other projects. = Can others comment? Many projects do seem to have Emeriti lists / processes. How do people = feel about that? How does the committer list size of Hadoop compare to other major Apache = projects? Other lessons learned? On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Inder.dev Java = wrote: >> How often you call for Emeriti lists. >> Otherwise , if list is simply growing, then people may surprise like = this. >> And also some people(Eli Collins) showed concerns about growing lists = above >> right. But in reality all that people may not be active and not = looking to >> project from long. Having them in active list will not help to Hadoop >> right. If they really want to active and help to project, they can = regain >> at that time. Otherwise people may think to add new people, as list = already >> big like above. no? >=20 > Keeping people who are no longer active on the committer list > shouldn't cause problems. No quorum is required for votes. Emeritus > is used for folks who no longer follow the project at all. Some > committers may no longer be contributing code regularly but they > should still be reading the developer mailing lists and may vote. > More active contributors primarily determine the current technical > direction of the project by making contributions. >=20 > Doug