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From Eli Collins <...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Spin out MR, HDFS and YARN as their own TLPs and disband Hadoop umbrella project
Date Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:17:05 GMT
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hey Eli,
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Eli Collins wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> Hey Eli,
>>> On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Eli Collins wrote:
>>>>>> [..snip..]
>>>>>> - The Hadoop trademark, assume this lives in the HDFS project if
Common does?
>>>>> Apache owns the Hadoop trademark, and the PMC helps to enforce it. Projects
>>>>> don't own trademarks.
>>>> But which PMC does "the PMC" refer to though given that there is no
>>>> longer a Hadoop PMC?
>>> Probably the collective set of PMCs that are created, along with trademarks@,
>>> and along with other members of the Foundation.
>> But what are we enforcing as the "Hadoop" trademark if there is no
>> longer a Hadoop product release?
> Well Hadoop as a trademark, registered by the ASF, will remain. It doesn't go away,
> whether there is an explicit Hadoop TLP or product that TLP releases or not. I'd imagine
as a PMC member once
> on the Hadoop TLP before it went away, you could choose to enforce the Hadoop trademarks
by working with
> trademarks@ in the same way that you currently do, or don't, or whatever.
> And "enforce" is a loose word, since everyone's idea of "enforce" with respect to Apache
> PMCs and trademarks and so forth somewhat differs.
> My 2c.

I get that part, just not sure what we'd be enforcing.  A concrete
proposal will need to figure out what this means once there is no such
thing as a Hadoop release.  See
http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Defining%20Hadoop for some relevant
background on an old proposal that didn't go anywhere.

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