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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Spin out MR, HDFS and YARN as their own TLPs and disband Hadoop umbrella project
Date Fri, 31 Aug 2012 06:50:26 GMT
Hi Andrew,

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote:

> If Apache Hadoop -- as an umbrella or sum of its parts -- isn't practical
> to develop end applications or downstream projects on, the community will
> disappear.

Sure, the end-user community might disappear, but the point I'm trying to make is
that the community is more than that. It's developers that build code together
("community over code"); it's folks who write documentation who are part of the
project's committee of folks working together to develop software for the public
good at this Foundation. It's folks who write unit tests as part of that.  It's also people
that fly by on the lists and that need help; or that may throw up a patch, or
whatever. It's other members of the Apache Software Foundation that are 
charged with caring and giving a rip about the Foundation's projects.

It's also downstream users of the software too -- they just aren't the only folks who 
are the community, that's all.

> I don't follow your logic. I deal with the technical realities
> of actually trying to use an Apache Hadoop distribution, the pieces
> released as source from the ASF, directly in production, and your position
> is dismissive if not hostile to my concerns as an end user.

Sorry I wasn't trying to be dismissive. But at the same time I want to suggest that
the community is broader than simply the technical folks who use the project.

> What
> "community" do you mean then? Vendors? Academics? People who like to tinker
> with things they can't actually use?

Yeah the community I'm talking about is the larger whole that makes up
the community of the project.

> And you can't just hand waive that this will all work out if done RIGHT
> NOW, especially with something as inelegant as a SVN copy.

Well the project's health is something that ought to be fixed, and it ought
to be done under a timeline. *right now* isn't probably going to be a reality.
But I am doing my job as a member of the Foundation in helping to discuss, 
further root out, and educate the folks around here as to the way that projects
work at the Foundation. 


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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