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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Spin out MR, HDFS and YARN as their own TLPs and disband Hadoop umbrella project
Date Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:08:09 GMT
Hey Doug,

On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> I am saying that the current members of the Apache Software Foundation's Hadoop
>> Project Management Committee exhibit the characteristics (not just during
>> discrete events; it's been happening for a long time) of folks who in reality
>> shouldn't belong to the same project management committee. Note: this is
>> NOT a bad thing. There are probably plenty of (sub-)sets of groups at Apache
>> and elsewhere that folks wouldn't fit in to. I've enumerated some of
>> those characteristics that you can see sometimes spill over
>> (meta thought discussions about moving things around; or drawing arbitrary
>> lines around pieces of code that really have nothing to do with technical
>> stuff, and more to do about insulating and control;),
> Hadoop's community is not perfect.  But the divisions in the community
> are not primarily aligned with subcomponent boundaries.  A project
> split will thus not likely fix the majority of these community
> imperfections.  It may fix some, but ought to be pursued carefully so
> that it doesn't cause more harm than good.

My own personal opinion of this is that yeah they aren't necessarily
aligned subcomponent boundaries too so +1 agree with you.

>> but there are also other
>> concerns such as frameworks put in to place (exclusivity amongst others)
>> that themselves are pretty high indicators that this is an umbrella project.
> The partitioning of committers has now been removed in a separate
> vote.  Hadoop is not a classic umbrella project.

Despite me thinking that's a band-aid it's probably at least a good start.
Let's hope it leads to some better interactions amongst the community
members and to better health overall.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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