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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject [DISCUSS] Spin out MR, HDFS and YARN as their own TLPs and disband Hadoop umbrella project
Date Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:33:58 GMT
[decided to minimize traffic and to simply put this in one thread]

Hi Guys,

See the recent discussion on these threads:

YARN as its own Hadoop "sub project": http://s.apache.org/WW1
Maintain a single committer list for the Hadoop project: http://s.apache.org/Owx

...and just pay attention to the Hadoop project over the last 3-4 years. It's operating
as a single project, that's masking separate communities that themselves are really
separate ASF projects. 

At the ASF, this has been a problem area called "umbrella" projects and over the years, 
all I've seen from them is wasted bandwidth, artificial barriers and the inventions of 
new ways to perform process mongering and to reduce the fun in developing software
at this fantastic foundation.

I've talked about umbrella projects enough. We've diverted conversation enough.
Enough people have tried to act like there is some technical mumbo jumbo that is
preventing the eventual act of higher power that I myself hope comes should these
discussions prove unfruitful through normal means. 

*these. are. separate. projects.*
*there.are.not.blocker.issues.from.spinning.out.these.projects.as.their.own.communities*

In this email: http://s.apache.org/rSm

And in the 2 subsequent follow ons in that thread, I've outlined a process that I'll copy
through below for splitting these projects into their own TLPs:

-----snip
Process: 

0. [DISCUSS] thread for <TLP name> in which you talk about #1 and #2 below, potentially
draft resolution too.

1. Decide on an initial set of *PMC* members. I urge each new TLP to adopt PMC==C. See reasons
I've
already discussed.

2. Decide on a chair. Try not to VOTE for this explicitly, see if can be discussed and consensus

can be reached (just a thought experiment). VOTE if necessary.

3. [VOTE] thread for <TLP name>

4. Create Project:
  a. paste resolution from #0 to board@ or;
  b. go to general@incubator and start new Incubator project.

5. infrastructure set up.
   MLs moving; new UNIX groups; website setup; 
   SVN setup like this:

svn copy -m "MR TLP." https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/<insert
cool MR name>; or 
svn copy -m "YARN TLP." https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/<insert
cool YARN name>; or
svn copy -m "HDFS TLP." https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/<insert
cool HDFS name>

After all 3 have been created run:

svn remove -m "Remove Hadoop umbrella TLP. Split into separate projects." https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop

6. (TLPs if 4a; Incubator podling if 4b;) proceed, collaborate, operate as distinct communities,
and try to solve the code duplication/dependency
issues from there.

7. If 4b; then graduate as TLP from Incubator.

-----snip

So that's my proposal. 

Thanks guys.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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