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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Shall we adopt the "Defining Hadoop" page
From: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:11:19 -0700
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On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Doug Cutting wrote:

> On 06/24/2011 07:07 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:
>>=20
>>> Might it be better to improve the existing Apache trademark policy
>>> page?
>>=20
>> When the project is having trouble agreeing, reaching agreement at
>> the foundation level seems unrealistic.
>=20
> ASF trademark policy is set by Shane, VP Trademark, not by a =
committee.

If we apply trademark policy to this discussion, then the only answer =
possible
is that only releases made by the Apache Hadoop PMC can be called =
Hadoop.
That is, after all, the essence of board delegation to PMCs and the =
meaning
of trademarks.

Traditionally, we have also allowed distributions that apply
released security patches, for example as found in=20

   http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/patches/

and turned a blind eye toward changes that are purely to port to a new =
platform.
I did not write those exceptions down because I don't know what (if any) =
impact
they might have on enforcement.

I said before that we typically don't argue about distributions that =
include
revisions that are on a release branch, but that assumed the project is
actually working toward a release of that branch.  I have a hard time =
believing
that Hadoop's trunk is a release branch.  In any case, this very =
specific
exception should be entirely decided by the project -- the VP of =
Trademarks
has no role in deciding what is the purview of each PMC, namely the =
decision
on what is or is not released in the name of that project.

....Roy