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From Eli Collins <...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Shall we adopt the "Defining Hadoop" page
Date Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:57:58 GMT
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Steve Loughran <stevel@apache.org> wrote:
> On 15/06/11 17:23, Eli Collins wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Allen Wittenauer<aw@apache.org>  wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Eli Collins wrote:
>>>> Are we really going to go after all the web companies that patch in an
>>>> enhancement to their current Hadoop build and tell them to stop saying
>>>> that they are using Hadoop?  You've patched Hadoop many times, should
>>>> your employer not be able to say they use Hadoop?  I'm -1 on a
>>>> proposal that does this.
>>>        I think there is a big difference between some company that uses
>>> Hadoop with some patches internally and a company that puts out a
>>> distribution for others to use, usually for-profit.
>> The wiki makes no such distinction. The PMC will apply the rules
>> equally to all parties.
>> According to Owen's email if you are using a release of Apache Hadoop
>> and have applied more than 2 security patches or any backports you are
>> not using Hadoop.
>> Thanks,
>> Eli
> What you do in house is of no concern to the trademarks and PMC people, but
> naming of public redistributables is -and that's where the confusion of what
> "a distribution of Apache Hadoop" is, because it's gone from weakly defined
> to very vague recently, and that needs to be corrected before people are
> left in a world of confusion.

Steve, I'm on the PMC and it is a concern.  What happens in house
often gets released on github, documented, blogged about, etc. All
this stuff creates confusion about the product and is therefore a
concern of the PMC.

> It's been complicated enough with people posting issues related to the
> Cloudera Distribution including Apache Hadoop, what happens when people
> start posting EMC-enterprise-hadoopish issues, file bugreps against Brisk's
> "Hadoop built on other things" product on the apache JIRA?

The same thing we do today. We point them to another more appropriate forum.

Isn't your proposal w/ the HTTPD/Subversion policy wrt backporting
effective?  Note that it's pretty strict, you have to get your code
committed to a branch that will be released subject to approval by the
PMC.  It's not saying that anyone can do whatever they want to the
Hadoop source and call it Hadoop.


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