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From Ian Holsman <had...@holsman.net>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release candidate
Date Thu, 05 May 2011 03:34:11 GMT
just as a Tally
we have
6+1's (andy.. is yours binding?? if so 7)
and 3 -1's.

so according to the votes so far we are releasing.. but according to our bylaws.. we need
to wait 7 days for everyone to chime in.

On May 5, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> On May 4, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Jean-Daniel Cryans wrote:
>> Non-biding -1.
>> I did download it and checked it out, but when I look at the
>> documentation I see it says "Hadoop 0.20 documentation" in the tab on
>> top. From what I can tell this isn't the branch 0.20 so I think it's
>> an error and from a user point of view this looks more like something
>> I would call 0.22 (although yes I understand this is 0.20 +security
>> +whatever).
>> Why would a single company push so hard to go against the "normal"
>> release process just for "the benefit of putting our work in the hands
>> of all hadoop users" is beyond me. It's not like people were begging
>> on the mailing lists to be able to get their hands on such a release
>> to the point where an emergency point release including tons of new
>> features is needed.
>> So to me the more logical reason would be monetary gains, that I would
>> understand better from a for-profit company. But then why go through
>> the hurdles of having such an ASF release when Y! isn't even selling
>> anything remotely related to Hadoop services? And why now?
>> But then there's this spinoff thing and it suddenly makes a lot more sense.
>> E14 said earlier that "That is how apache works."
>> I would say yes, maybe this is how it works, but I'm not sure I want
>> to see it working like _that_. The ASF shouldn't be the vehicle for a
>> single (future) company's wishes.
> The ASF is a vehicle for whomever wishes to collaborate on a
> given project.  Collaboration means helping do the work.  Those
> who do the work may do so for whatever reasons that they think
> are good, whether it is because they feel like being charitable
> today, they get paid a salary and the big boss said "work on
> this part", or because they just have an itch worth scratching.
> Apache does not care why people choose to collaborate or
> how they choose to apply their own intellectual efforts.  We
> welcome all forms of contribution under the terms of our license.
> What we do require is a certain amount of civility regarding
> our voting procedures and an emphasis on individual responsibility
> for your votes.  Anyone caught *voting* a particular way just
> because the boss says so will be dealt with severely.  Votes
> are how we do quality control and make decisions, and no other
> company can be allowed to make decisions for our non-profit.
> ....Roy

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