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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed bylaws for Hadoop
Date Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:06:02 GMT
+1 on supermajority - enough "people democracy".

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39PM, Nigel Daley wrote:
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Tom White wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Chris Douglas <cdouglas@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> >>> I suggest we make this stronger.
> >>> By way of comparison, the recently enacted bylaws for Pig
> >>> (http://pig.apache.org/bylaws.html) have consensus, for example.
> >> 
> >> Consensus is equivalent to making the PMC a permanent appointment.
> >> Discussions would be more civil and more likely to offer compromise-
> >> we would actually work toward consensus- if intransigence and
> >> hostility had consequences. Removing people is a last resort. Moving
> >> the barrier closer doesn't make it more likely, but it aligns
> >> incentives so rational people will reign in their more intemperate
> >> comments and, instead, find ways to make progress.
> >> 
> >> Many projects require supermajorities or even 3/4 majorities. It's
> >> sufficiently damning if more than half the PMC thinks an individual is
> >> so destructive that less damage would be done by ejecting them, in my
> >> opinion, but again: this is not a facility we should use, or have to
> >> use. Throwing someone out is an expensive failure for the project, and
> >> an conspicuous failure of its governance and community. Personally, I
> >> don't care if it's a majority or a supermajority, but consensus is a
> >> fig leaf.
> > 
> > Fair point. For a large PMC, that's probably true. This matter was
> > discussed on the Pig list, and there was a range of opinion there:
> > http://search-hadoop.com/m/jk35b2tZCuy&subj=RE+DISCUSS+Apache+Pig+bylaws.
> > Personally, I think a supermajority strikes the right balance.
> > 
> > Tom
> 
> Yup, all good points Chris. I, too, agree that supermajority strikes a good balance.
> 
> Nige

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