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From Tom White <...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Combine MapReduce/HDFS Committers
Date Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:41:48 GMT
Thanks for sharing this, Chris.

Cheers,
Tom

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Chris Douglas <cdouglas@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Tom White <tom@cloudera.com> wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> Didn't you vote +1 too? (If I recall correctly from the discussion.)
>
> At the start of the discussion I was leaning toward a +1, but elected
> to abstain from the vote as I read the responses. I didn't add an
> explicit +/-0, as I'd already added all the content I had in the
> discussion thread, and would only repeat myself. Since you ask:
>
> Vinod's point, i.e. "Where are the HDFS + MR issues?" gave me pause.
> There really aren't that many. The only exception I can think of are
> the RAID JIRAs, which aren't MR issues. Removing contrib is a better
> fix. The projects really are separating, and I expect this will become
> clearer as we cut more releases. If not, we should revisit this topic.
>
> After these votes, "Hadoop committers" are defined as PMC members, or
> contributors who independently earn commit status in both projects.
> Most members of the current PMC required about two years of full-time
> work in Hadoop before they were added. That's unusually steep, and the
> reason I didn't vote -1.
>
> There's a lack of data that makes this ambivalence hard to resolve.
> The arguments in favor are too abstract (trust, coherency, etc.) to
> make a definitive statements about the cost of separate lists.
> Examples of the form, "I tried to do X, but was prevented and it
> caused a costly, bureaucratic detour that took N days to resolve" (as
> Vinod provided for lacking access to Common) are persuasive to me.
> Hypothetical contributors that might be prevented from trying
> something are compelling, but less so. I'd like to get more experience
> working and releasing before I vote one way or the other. -C
>

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