Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hadoop-common-user-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-common-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8451310A9C for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 94749 invoked by uid 500); 5 Dec 2014 15:05:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hadoop-common-user-archive@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 94641 invoked by uid 500); 5 Dec 2014 15:05:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@hadoop.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@hadoop.apache.org Received: (qmail 94626 invoked by uid 99); 5 Dec 2014 15:05:41 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:05:41 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.218.50] (HELO mail-oi0-f50.google.com) (209.85.218.50) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:05:36 +0000 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a141so538280oig.37 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:05:15 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2iQF0kU85lmr1HN7cnVhcVUTVhg7ZP1oQJcCQ8kfSjU=; b=j31mtYjRgvTi3gCxT8voQ2KZ+/UWj2xfuR1j8rUk4OjyZ9dtOHBrfm+ZhzGWawhyX3 /0q4WphRsLVph4OfFiAoa54VSXx9Kz1t1T21E2rQ4SWaoNTjD2sEqGVY0kOpaV3b+M5Y yZ6uNcy8bXwdXSh6mJoBjbvBbAT2SzEXy4N4dXFQ6Hp13RIOViaZMrEjdvRpmg+/KolP A2//HjGtGqQdzqEKcJdPpTnz/Jf+XGTp972Fn+0Pr3eaESBpJZUQ84xnc2F4HzxTHnv3 4t1I7fIzTMQINRUk8fkdogTgvAc6GmpuYOrflLLSwvxznjyYS6TUayH0hbmzwxFy1gom j6DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlmERR3eUXQWXzxDjJWaz2W0GuXGR3iwV8FnCWbR4EYOE1zUJePEVq4x/+8jHlsVnOUGIot MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.50.137 with SMTP id c9mr10680521oeo.83.1417791915064; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:05:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: niels@basj.es Received: by 10.76.178.234 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [171.33.133.58] In-Reply-To: <1554048780.3424150.1417787365644.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100153.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1554048780.3424150.1417787365644.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100153.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:05:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CkhWwoW3tTVMMFzUbgS9k752DYw Message-ID: Subject: Re: to all this unsubscribe sender From: Niels Basjes To: user@hadoop.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2deb876996b05097967f9 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c2deb876996b05097967f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, I agree. We should accept people as they are. So perhaps we should increase the hurdle to subscribe in the first place? Something like adding a question like "What do you do if you want to unsubscribe from a mailing list?" That way the people who are lazy or need hand holding are simply unable to subscribe, thus avoiding these people who send these "unsubscribe me" messages from ever entering the list. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:49 PM, mark charts wrote: > Trained as an electrical engineer I learned again and again from my > instructors: man is inherently lazy. Maybe that's the case. Also, some > people have complicated lives and need hand holding. It is best to accept > people as they are. > > > On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:40 AM, Chana > wrote: > > > Actually, it's "capisce". > > And, obviously, we are all here because we are learning. But, now that > instructions have been posted again - I would expect that people would not > expect to have their > hands held to do something so simple as "unsubscribe". They are supposedly > technologists. I would think they would be able to do whatever research is > necessary to > unsubscribe without flooding the list with requests. It's a fairly common > operation for anyone who has been on the web for a while. > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:35 AM, mark charts wrote: > > Not rude at all. We were not born with any knowledge. We learn as we go. > We learn by asking. Capiche? > > > Mark Charts > > > On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:13 AM, Chana > wrote: > > > THANK YOU for posting this!!!! Very rude indeed to not learn *for oneself* > - as opposed to expecting to be "spoon fed" information like a small child. > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Aleks Laz wrote: > > Dear wished unsubscriber > > Is it really that hard to start brain vX.X? > > You or anyone which have used your email account, have subscribed to this > list, as described here. > > http://hadoop.apache.org/mailing_lists.html > > You or this Person must unsubscribe at the same way as the subscription > was, as described here. > > http://hadoop.apache.org/mailing_lists.html > > In the case that YOU don't know how a mailinglist works, please take a > look here. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list > > Even the month is young there are a lot of > > unsubscribe > > in the archive. > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-user/201412.mbox/thread > > I'm new to this list but from my point of view it is very disrespectful to > the list members and developers that YOU don't invest a little bit of time > by your self to search how you can unsubscribe from a list on which YOU > have subscribed or anyone which have used your email account. > > cheers Aleks > > > > > > > > -- Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, Niels Basjes --001a11c2deb876996b05097967f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I agree. We should accept people as they are.
So perhaps we should increase the hurdle to subscribe in the first = place?
Something like adding a question like "What do yo= u do if you want to unsubscribe from a mailing list?"

That way the people who are lazy or need hand holding are simply u= nable to subscribe, thus avoiding these people who send these "unsubsc= ribe me" messages from ever entering the list.


On Fri, Dec 5,= 2014 at 2:49 PM, mark charts <mcharts@yahoo.com> wrote:
=
Trained as an electrical engineer I learned= again and again from my instructors: man is inherently lazy. Maybe that= 9;s the case. Also, some people have complicated lives and need hand holdin= g. It is best to accept people as they are.


On= Friday, December 5, 2014 8:40 AM, Chana <chana.oleary@gmail.com> wrote:


Actually, i= t's "capisce".

And= , obviously, we are all here because we are learning. But, now that instruc= tions have been posted again - I would expect that people would not expect = to have their
hands held to do something so simple = as "unsubscribe". They are supposedly technologists. I would thin= k they would be able to do whatever research is necessary to
unsubscribe without flooding the list with requests. It's a fairly = common operation for anyone who has been on the web for a while.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:35 AM, mark charts <mcharts@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not rude at all. We were not born with any knowledge. We learn a= s we go. We learn by asking. Capiche?

Mark Charts


On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:13 AM, Chana <chana= .oleary@gmail.com> wrote:


THANK YOU f= or posting this!!!! Very rude indeed to not learn for oneself - as o= pposed to expecting to be "spoon fed" information like a small ch= ild.

On Fri, Dec = 5, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Aleks Laz <al-user= hadoop@none.at> wrote:
Dear wished= unsubscriber

Is it really that hard to start brain vX.X?

You or anyone which have used your email account, have subscribed to this l= ist, as described here.

http://hadoop.apache.org/mailing_list= s.html

You or this Person must unsubscribe at the same way as the subscription was= , as described here.

http://hadoop.apache.org/mailing_list= s.html

In the case that YOU don't know how a mailinglist works, please take a = look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list

Even the month is young there are a lot of

unsubscribe

in the archive.

http://mail-arch= ives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-user/201412.mbox/thread
I'm new to this list but from my point of view it is very disrespectful= to the list members and developers that YOU don't invest a little bit = of time by your self to search how you can unsubscribe from a list on which= YOU have subscribed or anyone which have used your email account.

cheers Aleks









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Best regards = / Met vriendelijke groeten,

Niels Basjes
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