Mailing-List: contact common-user-help@hadoop.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of michael_segel@hotmail.com
 designates 65.55.34.214 as permitted sender)
Message-ID: <COL117-W26E82E335F2D2837FDA6FB8F4A0@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="_c13cf204-cc87-4033-98e4-a0c0b08ed0f4_"
From: Michael Segel <michael_segel@hotmail.com>
To: <common-user@hadoop.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Which release to use?
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:09:46 -0500
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: 
 <OFA0685FFA.8D86E8ED-ON872578CF.00600774-882578CF.0060209A@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E1FC6C0.1000904@orkash.com>
	<CA45BA71.26538%evans@yahoo-inc.com>
	<COL117-W31A505B2EB9B89653498038F490@phx.gbl>,<OF6D188153.0A80206E-ON872578CE.005B0586-882578CE.005B62A1@us.ibm.com>
 <CAOF-KfhrMy1HNeS4VW1nZoacRcfK6DtswvCwh=XK=mC2wk+SGQ@mail.gmail.com>,<OFA0685FFA.8D86E8ED-ON872578CF.00600774-882578CF.0060209A@us.ibm.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0

--_c13cf204-cc87-4033-98e4-a0c0b08ed0f4_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Tom=2C

I'm not sure that you're really honoring the purpose and approach of this l=
ist.

I mean on the one hand=2C you're not under any obligation to respond or par=
ticipate on the list. And I can respect that. You're not in an S&D role so =
you're not 'customer facing' and not used to having to deal with these type=
s of questions.

On the other=2C you're not being free with your information. So when this t=
ype of question comes up=2C it becomes very easy to discount IBM as a relea=
se or source provider for commercial support.

Without information=2C I'm afraid that I may have to make recommendations t=
o my clients that may be out of date.

There is even some speculation from analysts that recent comments from IBM =
are more of an indication that IBM is still not ready for prime time.=20

I'm sorry you're not in a position to detail your offering.

Maybe by September you might be ready and then talk to our CHUG?

-Mike


> To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Which release to use?
> From: tdeutsch@us.ibm.com
> Date: Sat=2C 16 Jul 2011 10:29:55 -0700
>=20
> Hi Rita - I want to make sure we are honoring the purpose/approach of thi=
s=20
> list. So you are welcome to ping me for information=2C but let's take thi=
s=20
> discussion off the list at this point.
>=20
> ------------------------------------------------
> Tom Deutsch
> Program Director
> CTO Office: Information Management
> Hadoop Product Manager / Customer Exec
> IBM
> 3565 Harbor Blvd
> Costa Mesa=2C CA 92626-1420
> tdeutsch@us.ibm.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Rita <rmorgan466@gmail.com>=20
> 07/16/2011 08:53 AM
> Please respond to
> common-user@hadoop.apache.org
>=20
>=20
> To
> common-user@hadoop.apache.org
> cc
>=20
> Subject
> Re: Which release to use?
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I am curious about the IBM product BigInishgts. Where can we download it?=
=20
> It
> seems we have to register to download it?
>=20
>=20
> On Fri=2C Jul 15=2C 2011 at 12:38 PM=2C Tom Deutsch <tdeutsch@us.ibm.com>=
 wrote:
>=20
> > One quick clarification - IBM GA'd a product called BigInsights in 2Q.=
=20
> It
> > faithfully uses the Hadoop stack and many related projects - but=20
> provides
> > a number of extensions (that are compatible) based on customer requests=
.
> > Not appropriate to say any more on this list=2C but the info on it is a=
ll
> > publically available.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Tom Deutsch
> > Program Director
> > CTO Office: Information Management
> > Hadoop Product Manager / Customer Exec
> > IBM
> > 3565 Harbor Blvd
> > Costa Mesa=2C CA 92626-1420
> > tdeutsch@us.ibm.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Segel <michael_segel@hotmail.com>
> > 07/15/2011 07:58 AM
> > Please respond to
> > common-user@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> > To
> > <common-user@hadoop.apache.org>
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > RE: Which release to use?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately the picture is a bit more confusing.
> >
> > Yahoo! is now HortonWorks. Their stated goal is to not have their own
> > derivative release but to sell commercial support for the official=20
> Apache
> > release.
> > So those selling commercial support are:
> > *Cloudera
> > *HortonWorks
> > *MapRTech
> > *EMC (reselling MapRTech=2C but had announced their own)
> > *IBM (not sure what they are selling exactly... still seems like smoke=
=20
> and
> > mirrors...)
> > *DataStax
> >
> > So while you can use the Apache release=2C it may not make sense for yo=
ur
> > organization to do so. (Said as I don the flame retardant suit...)
> >
> > The issue is that outside of HortonWorks which is stating that they wil=
l
> > support the official Apache release=2C everything else is a derivative=
=20
> work
> > of Apache's Hadoop. From what I have seen=2C Cloudera's release is the
> > closest to the Apache release.
> >
> > Like I said=2C things are getting interesting.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> --- Get your facts first=2C then you can distort them as you please.--
>=20
 		 	   		  =

--_c13cf204-cc87-4033-98e4-a0c0b08ed0f4_--