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From Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Google has obtained the patent over mapreduce
Date Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:58:32 GMT
I was just mentioning that in the sco linux suit , comanies that were
using linux as a fileserver or ftp server were targeted, not only
companies that developed packaged linux.

Relying on a corporation to be  benevolant, is a risk in itself. A
change in management could cause a change in policy.

a decision maker might avoid hadoop as it is more risky to deploy now.
In particular if that company was in some way competitive to google.

I imagine google will make some comment.

On 1/20/10, Ravi <ravindra.babu.ravula@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you mean to say companies like yahoo and facebook are taking risk?
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Edward Capriolo
> <edlinuxguru@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Raymond Jennings III
>> <raymondjiii@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I am not a patent attorney either but for what it's worth - many times a
>> patent is sought solely to protect a company from being sued from another.
>>  So even though Hadoop is out there it could be the case that Google has
>> no
>> intent of suing anyone who uses it - they just wanted to protect
>> themselves
>> from someone else claiming it as their own and then suing Google.  But
>> yes,
>> the patent system clearly has problems as you stated.
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru@gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: Google has obtained the patent over mapreduce
>> >> To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org
>> >> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:09 PM
>> >> Interesting situation.
>> >>
>> >> I try to compare mapreduce to the camera. Let argue Google
>> >> is Kodak,
>> >> Apache is Polaroid, and MapReduce is a Camera. Imagine
>> >> Kodak invented
>> >> the camera privately, never sold it to anyone, but produced
>> >> some
>> >> document describing what a camera did.
>> >>
>> >> Polaroid followed the document and produced a camera and
>> >> sold it
>> >> publicly. Kodak later patents a camera, even though no one
>> >> outside of
>> >> Kodak can confirm Kodak ever made a camera before
>> >> Polaroid.
>> >>
>> >> Not saying that is what happened here, but google releasing
>> >> the GFS
>> >> pdf was a large factor in causing hadoop to happen.
>> >> Personally, it
>> >> seems like they gave away too much information before they
>> >> had the
>> >> patent.
>> >>
>> >> The patent system faces many problems including this 'back
>> >> to the
>> >> future' issue. Where it takes so long to get a patent no
>> >> one can wait,
>> >> by the time a patent is issued there are already multiple
>> >> viable
>> >> implementations of a patent.
>> >>
>> >> I am no patent layer or anything, but I notice the phrase
>> >> "master
>> >> process" all over the claims. Maybe if a piece of software
>> >> (hadoop)
>> >> had a "distributed process" that would be sufficient to say
>> >> hadoop
>> >> technology does not infringe on this patent.
>> >>
>> >> I think it would be interesting to look deeply at each
>> >> claim and
>> >> determine if hadoop could be designed to not infringe on
>> >> these
>> >> patents, to deal with what if scenarios.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ravi <ravindra.babu.ravula@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >  I too read about that news. I don't think that it
>> >> will be any problem.
>> >> > However Google didn't invent the model.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Udaya Lakshmi <udaya603@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>   As an user of hadoop, Is there anything to
>> >> worry about Google obtaining
>> >> >> the patent over mapreduce?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> @Raymond
>>
>> Yes. I agree with you.
>>
>> As we have learned from SCO->linux. Corporate users can become the
>> target of legal action not the technology vendor. This could scare a
>> large corporation away from using hadoop. They take a risk knowing
>> that they could be targeted just for using the software.
>>
>

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