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From Arpit Agarwal <aagar...@hortonworks.com>
Subject Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Date Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:30:15 GMT
Requested a new git repo for the site: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git


´╗┐On 9/4/18, 1:33 PM, "Mingliang Liu" <liuml07@gmail.com> wrote:

    It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
    
    Thanks Marton.
    
    On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <elek@apache.org> wrote:
    
    > Bumping this thread at last time.
    >
    > I have the following proposal:
    >
    > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
    > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
    > site).
    >
    > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
    > hadoop.apache.org
    >
    > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
    > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
    >
    > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
    >
    > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
    > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
    >
    > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
    > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Marton
    >
    >
    > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
    > >
    > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
    > >
    > >
    > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
    > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
    > >
    > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
    > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
    > > powerful tools.
    > >
    > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
    > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
    > >
    > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
    > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
    > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
    > > process)
    > >
    > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
    > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
    > >
    > > Marton
    > >
    > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
    > >
    > > ***************************
    > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
    > > ***************************
    > >
    > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
    > >> Got pinged about this offline.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
    > >>
    > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
    > >>   (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
    > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
    > >>   (2) Is the new website good enough?
    > >>
    > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
    > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
    > >>
    > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
    > >> progress?
    > >>   - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
    > >>   - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
    > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
    > >>   - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
    > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
    > >>
    > >> Thoughts?
    > >>
    > >> +Vinod
    > >>
    > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <elek@apache.org> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>> Hi,
    > >>>
    > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
    > >>>
    > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
    > >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
    > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
    > >>>
    > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> Longer version:
    > >>>
    > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
    > >>>
    > >>> Goals were:
    > >>>
    > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
    > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
    > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
    > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
    > >>>
    > >>> I proposed to:
    > >>>
    > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
    > >>> a single, standalone binary)
    > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
    > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
    > >>>
    > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
    > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
    > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
    > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
    > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
    > >>> generating site.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
    > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
    > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks a lot,
    > >>> Marton
    > >>>
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    Mingliang Liu
    

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