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From "Elek, Marton" <e...@apache.org>
Subject Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Date Fri, 31 Aug 2018 08:07:38 GMT
Bumping this thread at last time.

I have the following proposal:

1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the 
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).

2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of 

3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back 
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)

IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.

If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and 
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.

Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept 
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)


On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed 
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the 
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and 
> powerful tools.
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without 
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use 
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example 
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release 
> process)
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and 
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
> Marton
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>   (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough - 
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>   (2) Is the new website good enough?
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get 
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of 
>> progress?
>>   - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>   - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new 
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>   - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally 
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>> Thoughts?
>> +Vinod
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <elek@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is 
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and 
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>> Longer version:
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>> Goals were:
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be 
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>> I proposed to:
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is 
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about 
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site 
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used 
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why 
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for 
>>> generating site.
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a 
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new 
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
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