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From Andrew Wang <andrew.w...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Feedback on IRC channel
Date Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:49:44 GMT
Hi Ray, if you're going to do a wiki cleanup, fair warning that I filed
this INFRA JIRA about the wiki being terribly slow, and they closed it as
WONTFIX:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12283

So if you'd actually like to undertake a wiki cleanup, we should also
consider migrating the content to a wiki that isn't terribly slow.

I think cwiki.apache.org is better, but maybe we should ask infra what the
preferred option is here. They might be able to help with a content
migration too.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Ray Chiang <rchiang@apache.org> wrote:

> Coming in late to an old thread.
>
> I was looking around at the Hadoop documentation (hadoop.apache.org and
> wiki.apache.org/hadoop) and I'd sum up the current state of the
> documentation as follows:
>
> 1. hadoop.apache.org is pretty clearly full of technical information.
> My only minor nit here is that the wiki pointer and the Git pointer
>    at the top is really tiny.
> 2. wiki.apache.org is simultaneously targeted to at least four audiences
>     1. Industry Users (broadest sense of Big Data Industry)
>     2. Industry Developers (mostly those adding a layer like Hive does
>        to MapReduce)
>     3. Hadoop Users (those who just want to set up a small cluster)
>     4. Hadoop Developers (e.g. using MapReduce APIs)
>     5. Hadoop Internal Developers (eventual contributors)
>
> I'd like to initiate some cleanup of the wiki, but before I even start,
> I'd like to see if anyone has constructive suggestions or other approaches
> that would make this transition smoother.
>
> 1. Some sections, like Industry Users and Industry Developers is
>    growing so fast, I'm not sure whether it's worth maintaining in any
>    meaningful format. I'd be inclined to make suggestions on where to
>    start and let Google take them forward from there.
> 2. Organize the developer section based on the pieces a new reader
>    wants to learn (new to everything, new to Hadoop, all the tools for
>    Hadoop development, "just check out code and go", etc).
> 3. Organize the Users section a bit more.  The "Setting up a Hadoop
>    Cluster" is grouped well, but I'd perhaps rearrange the ordering a bit.
>
> -Ray
>
>
> On 7/14/16 3:49 PM, Andrew Wang wrote:
>
>> I think we should try to keep ownership over the #hadoop channel (do we
>> have ownership?) but make it clear on the website and in the channel
>> greeting that this is for user-on-user discussion, and it's not actively
>> monitored by developers.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Akira AJISAKA <
>> ajisakaa@oss.nttdata.co.jp>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not using the IRC channel (#hadoop at irc.freenode.net.)
>>> I'm using slack (hadoopdev.slack.com) instead.
>>>
>>> -Akira
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/16 14:48, Ravi Prakash wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never gone there either. +1 for retiring.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:34 PM, J. Rottinghuis <
>>>> jrottinghuis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Uhm, there is an IRC channel?!?
>>>>
>>>>> Joep
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Sangjin Lee <sjlee@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I seldom check out IRC (as my experience was the same). I'm OK with
>>>>>
>>>>>> retiring it if no committers are around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a related note, I know Tsuyoshi set up a slack channel for the
>>>>>> committers. Even that one is pretty idle. :) Should we use it more
>>>>>> often?
>>>>>> If that starts to gain traction, we could set up a more open room
for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> users
>>>>>
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sangjin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Karthik Kambatla <kasha@cloudera.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, Andrew Wang and I were at an academic conference where
one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> attendees (a grad student) was mentioning that his posts to the IRC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are never answered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I haven't been using the IRC channel. Neither do
I know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who is actively monitoring it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am emailing to check:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     1. Are there folks actively monitoring the IRC channel and
>>>>>>> answering
>>>>>>>     questions?
>>>>>>>     2. If there is no one, should we consider retiring the channel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Karthik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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