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From "Allen Wittenauer (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] Commented: (HADOOP-2185) Server ports: to roll or not to roll.
Date Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:34:43 GMT

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Allen Wittenauer commented on HADOOP-2185:
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The primary issue is that hadoop isn't predictable.  The randomization of ports (including
picking purely ephemeral ports) is that it is impossible to:

1) Make sure Hadoop doesn't sit on a port that another application may be using unless that
application is already running.

2) Create firewall rules that prevents connection to Hadoop services.

3) Create QoS (Quality of Service) settings such that HDFS has a higher/lower priority vs.
some other service.

I really want predictability.   I want to be able to say that my JobTracker is always using
port a,b,c, my namenode is always using ports d,e,f, my datanode is always using port g,h,i,
etc.  If that port is in use, then it should be perfectly accepting to have that process fail.
 Predictability == management  when we're talking about large scale administration.  

As Arun pointed out, if someone really doesn't care what ports these services run on, then
using 0 should be a reliable equivalent to using port rolling. 

As to the names, I'd prefer 'hdfs' over 'dfs' if only because a lot of the people I talk to
always follow up with "Why are you using Microsoft's DFS?".  *sigh*   I prefer 'http' over
'info' if only because most people are more likely to recognize that a web interface is sitting
on that port and that it might require extra care.  [The (ab)use of that port by Hadoop is
another issue... ;) ]

One concern I have is what happens if I have multiple interfaces (nics).  How does it work
if I only want to bind to one interface or if I want to bind to all of them or I want to bind
to different ports on those different interfaces?

> Server ports: to roll or not to roll.
> -------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HADOOP-2185
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2185
>             Project: Hadoop
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: conf, dfs, mapred
>    Affects Versions: 0.15.0
>            Reporter: Konstantin Shvachko
>             Fix For: 0.16.0
>
>
> Looked at the issues related to port rolling. My impression is that port rolling is required
only for the unit tests to run.
> Even the name-node port should roll there, which we don't have now, in order to be able
to start 2 cluster for testing say dist cp.
> For real clusters on the contrary port rolling is not desired and some times even prohibited.
> So we should have a way of to ban port rolling. My proposition is to
> # use ephemeral port 0 if port rolling is desired
> # if a specific port is specified then port rolling should not happen at all, meaning
that a 
> server is either able or not able to start on that particular port.
> The desired port is specified via configuration parameters.
> - Name-node: fs.default.name = host:port
> - Data-node: dfs.datanode.port
> - Job-tracker: mapred.job.tracker = host:port
> - Task-tracker: mapred.task.tracker.report.bindAddress = host
>   Task-tracker currently does not have an option to specify port, it always uses the
ephemeral port 0, 
>   and therefore I propose to add one.
> - Secondary node does not need a port to listen on.
> For info servers we have two sets of config variables *.info.bindAddress and *.info.port
> except for the task tracker, which calls them *.http.bindAddress and *.http.port instead
of "info".
> With respect to the info servers I propose to completely eliminate the port parameters,
and form 
> *.info.bindAddress = host:port
> Info servers should do the same thing, namely start or fail on the specified port if
it is not 0,
> and start on any free port if it is ephemeral.
> For the task-tracker I would rename tasktracker.http.bindAddress to mapred.task.tracker.info.bindAddress
> For the data-node the info dfs.datanode.info.bindAddress should be included into the
default config.
> Is there a reason why it is not there?
> This is the summary of proposed changes:
> || Server || current name = value || proposed name = value ||
> | NameNode | fs.default.name = host:port | same |
> | | dfs.info.bindAddress = host | dfs.info.bindAddress = host:port |
> | DataNode | dfs.datanode.port = port | same |
> | | dfs.datanode.info.bindAddress = host | dfs.datanode.info.bindAddress = host:port
|
> | | dfs.datanode.info.port = port | eliminate |
> | JobTracker| mapred.job.tracker = host:port | same |
> | | mapred.task.tracker.info.bindAddress = host | mapred.task.tracker.info.bindAddress
= host:port |
> | | mapred.task.tracker.info.port = port | eliminate |
> | TaskTracker| mapred.task.tracker.report.bindAddress = host | mapred.task.tracker.report.bindAddress
= host:port |
> | | tasktracker.http.bindAddress = host | mapred.task.tracker.info.bindAddress = host:port
|
> | | tasktracker.http.port = port | eliminate |
> | SecondaryNameNode | dfs.secondary.info.bindAddress = host | dfs.secondary.info.bindAddress
= host:port |
> | | dfs.secondary.info.port = port | eliminate |
> Do we also want to set some uniform naming convention for the configuration variables?
> Like having hdfs instead of dfs, or info instead of http, or systematically using either
datanode
> or data.node would make that look better in my opinion.
> So these are all +*api*+ changes. I would +*really*+ like some feedback on this, especially
from 
> people who deal with configuration issues on practice.

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