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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@4quarters.com>
Subject Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that
Date Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:41:50 GMT

On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:12 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:

> At 03:44 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> I think it's better if we start to nag ourselves first and see how we 
>> can increase the signal/noise ratio before we go back public.
>
> It's not only about gump's signal/noise ratio but the attitude adopted
> when things break. Allowing unaware developers to become aware that
> things broke (or may brake) offers tangible benefits.
>
> Once the dialog is triggered, it should go both ways. Depicting gump
> offenders as morons won't get us anywhere.
>
> In the past, the social algorithm for gump has been:
>
> 1) Gump checks for dependency issues.
>
> 2) If gump detects problems, social pressure is applied on the
> offender until the offenders yield. Otherwise, the offender is
> depicted as an insensitive moron.

In this case, I'm the moron because I can't figure out what to do in 
velocity to deal w/ 1.3 (as well as log4j-dependent code that I have 
elsewhere), other than to make log4j support an option and force users 
to deal with it.  Not my first choice.

geir

>
> I suggest you review this social algorithm.
>
>
>> --
>> Stefano.
>
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> Ceki Gülcü
>
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Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
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