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From Stefan Bodewig <>
Subject Re: Standing back (for a while?)...
Date Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:44:23 GMT
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:

> I have decided to step away from Gump for a while,

Many thanks for the huge load of work you've done so far, without you
we would have never come to > 90%.  Hope you'll come back some time.

> and the main reason is that I find it depressing to work with...

I understand you, I really do.  It is quite simple to destroy the
success of months with a single commit and this certainly burns out

> I find that there must be something fundamentally wrong with Gump,
> if it self-deteriorate so quickly.

But this seems to be looking at Gump the wrong way.

It's not Gump that deteriorates, its the network of projects that Gump
builds.  The network simply doesn't build, no matter whether Gump is
there or not.  If it doesn't build, it's a problem of the network (in
particular of the projects that fail), not Gump's.  Gump's purpose is
to identify problems, so in a sense Gump is more successful if the
build fails than if everything (seems to) build(s) well.

> Personally I think the solution is that the Gump group needs to work
> more intimately with the Ant/Maven and other build system groups, to
> put in the continous integration support directly into those tools,
> instead of the manual labour of bolting it on externally.

One of the benefits of Gump is, that it doesn't require any
collaboration from the projects Gump builds.  We need to collaborate
if something doesn't build because of cross-project problems, but we
don't need any help to try building something.  If the developers of a
project had to actively do something for continuos integration to
happen, it could only work on a much smaller scale.

> I might be back later,

I hope so.



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