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From Cédric Champeau <cedric.champ...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Groovy Champions proposal feedback
Date Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:24:01 GMT
I think it would be valuable to add a few examples of profiles who might be
entitled Groovy champion. Let me start:

- a speaker, teacher who by their public talks contributed to the awareness
of the language
- the author of a successful framework who, by leveraging Groovy,
introduced innovative features

2018-02-26 9:17 GMT+01:00 Paul King <paulk@asert.com.au>:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Søren Berg Glasius <soeren@glasius.dk>
> wrote:
>
>> @Mario
>>
>> Very good thoughts, I really like the idea that an award is permanent, I
>> believe that goes for Java Champs as well.
>>
>> Naming wise, Groovyssimo is fun, but not naming material for an award :-)
>> But we need to narrow down the name-space to something realistic that can
>> be voted on.
>>
>
> Agreed on the good thoughts comment. Well, I guess you are going to rule
> out my spin on Nobel with the No-semis award idea too! :-)
>
> No-semis jokes aside, we have been given feedback from within Apache that
> we have to make sure that we cover off whatever we do in terms of Apache
> branding, making sure that the trademark Apache Groovy is honored and that
> such a scheme could never head down a path that would be in conflict with
> the ASF directions. Also, as Cédric mentions we need to make a case why
> existing schemes like "committer status" or "PMC status" might not apply. I
> agree with Guillaume that the idea of the award has always been for the
> entire ecosystem and the existing mechanisms for recognizing contributions
> to the Apacge Groovy project don't really apply well in the broader
> community context. Much like the ASF itself has different kinds of awards,
> e.g. member of the ASF vs committer/PMC for a particular project, I think a
> different award is needed here.
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 08:50 Mario Garcia <mario.ggar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to what Guillaume said :) Common guys! Lets focus on what we think is
>>> a great language and let others think what they want!
>>>
>>> Regarding the duration of the award. I've though about it, trying not to
>>> think in terms of annually or permanent, but trying to see what's out there
>>> outside the CS world, and I ended up thinking on the Nobel prize. I'd like
>>> some ideas of Nobel prize:
>>>
>>>    - Takes place every year
>>>    - A given prize could be vacant a given year.
>>>    - It's so important that it's really noticeable to be awarded
>>>    - Makes people very proud of some achievement they did a given year
>>>    - Once you're a Nobel you will always be a Nobel.
>>>    - Of  course there's been awarded people that even rejected the
>>>    prize but that never really underrated the prize overtime
>>>    - New members are chosen by previous members and some other relevant
>>>    people (members of the parliament among others). Here I'd add the
>>>    idea of letting anybody to propose a nominee, but leaving the final
>>>    decision to the prize committee (whatever we decide who is in)
>>>
>>> Despite the difference of content between the Nobel prize and the Groovy
>>> awards, after reviewing these points I think they seem to fit better in the
>>> Groovy Champions/Stars idea. There is also something I haven't heard yet. I
>>> guess this will require a kind of permanent organization, e.g. to contact
>>> members, nominees, organize the awards, a web to show the winners...etc
>>>
>>> BTW: Here you have another naming for the awards: Groovisimo Awards. Can
>>> you imaging a "Groovisimo" statue like the Oscars ? It would be a blast
>>> XDDDD
>>>
>>> My two cents
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> 2018-02-25 10:53 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> James Stachan's quote has really been taken out of context, and
>>>> over-exagerated bu the Scala-fanboys.
>>>> If Scala had been what it is now, James would probably not have
>>>> initiated Groovy *then*. But Scala was nascent just like Groovy *then*.
>>>> It's like if Gavin King had said that he wouldn't have invented
>>>> Hibernate if JPA had existed... but JPA came ten years later.
>>>>
>>>> This quote was really harmful, but as the saying goes, lots of water's
>>>> gone through the bridges since then.
>>>>
>>>> There's still the myth of slowliness, which we all know is not true
>>>> anymore, even in pure dynamic mode (without even mentioning static
>>>> compilation)
>>>> Usually, you spend way more time in network latency (access to remote
>>>> resources, access to database, etc) than waiting for the CPU spent by just
>>>> the pure language execution time.
>>>>
>>>> Also back on James Strachan: he went to play with Scala, then with
>>>> Kotlin, and has come back to using Groovy.
>>>> He's using Groovy on a regular basis through his work with Jenkins, its
>>>> pipelines, etc.
>>>> So he's back at his old love!
>>>>
>>>> So let's turn the page on those stories, please.
>>>>
>>>> Guillaume
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Sun <realbluesun@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The creator of Groovy said "I can honestly say if someone had shown me
>>>>> the
>>>>> Programming in Scala book...". I think he compared Scala with the old
>>>>> version of Groovy he created in about 2003. As we all know, Groovy has
>>>>> evolved a lot, so I never care about others' out-dated opinions on
>>>>> Groovy :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Daniel.Sun
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Guillaume Laforge
>>>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
>>>> Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud Platform
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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