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From jim northrop <james.b.north...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Community Support for Novices
Date Fri, 08 Jan 2016 21:27:10 GMT
second that motion ;-}

On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywiltse@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
> "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
> in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
> problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
> think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
> Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
> Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>
> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples where
> they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs (if
> ever).  They have been tremendous help.  Usually I only get stuck when
> there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
> example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
> someone has for doing documentation.
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
>> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
>> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
>> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
>> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
>> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywiltse@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>
>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
>> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
>> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
>> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
>> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
>> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
>> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
>> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
>> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
>>> logger that can do the things you want...  which is actually more a java
>>> question then
>>>
>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>>
>>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>
>>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>>> <mailto:blackdrag@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>>>     I give you my perspective on SO:
>>>>     I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>>>>     few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>>>>     wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>>>     and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>>
>>>>     bye blackdrag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Jerry,
>>>>
>>>>         I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>>>> mailing
>>>>         list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at
>>>> codehaus.
>>>>
>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>         Pascal
>>>>
>>>>         Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>>>         <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>>              I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>>>         user group
>>>>              because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>>>         discussion.
>>>>
>>>>              At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses
>>>> to
>>>>              Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>>
>>>>              Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room,
>>>> or
>>>>              otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>>
>>>>              It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>>>         are for
>>>>              Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>>>         I'm just
>>>>              not sure how many of those things translate to my use
>>>> cases.
>>>>
>>>>              Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>>>         questions on
>>>>              Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates,
>>>> who's
>>>>              posts are always amazing).
>>>>
>>>>              Regards,
>>>>              Jerry
>>>>
>>>>              Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>         jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>
>>>>         <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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