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From jim northrop <james.b.north...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Community Support for Novices
Date Sat, 09 Jan 2016 07:45:44 GMT
and of course you can always ask us *;-}*

On 9 January 2016 at 02:38, Duncan Dickinson <duncan@dickinson.name> wrote:

> Hi Gerald,
>
> I thought I'd just mention a few resources that you might find useful in
> your Groovy adventures:
>
> 1. Groovy in Action (2nd ed):
> https://www.manning.com/books/groovy-in-action-second-edition - this is
> the key text for Groovy
>
> 2. mrhaki has a wonderful trove of Groovy how-tos:
> http://mrhaki.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Groovy
>
> 3. The InfoQ website has a range of Groovy presentations - I recommend
> Guillaume's "Groovy with Style!":
> http://www.infoq.com/groovy/presentations/
>
> 4. The Groovy 2 Tutorial is free to read online:
> https://leanpub.com/groovytutorial (disclaimer: I wrote this)
>
> There are a few others also listed on the website:
> http://www.groovy-lang.org/learn.html
>
> The website documentation has good language coverage but I suggest that
> the resources listed above really will help you in learning not only the
> language but also its versatility.
>
> Welcome to Groovy - as you can see it's backed by a very helpful community.
>
> Regards,
>
> Duncan
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:27 AM, jim northrop <
> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> second that motion ;-}
>>
>> On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywiltse@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
>>> "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
>>> in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
>>> problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
>>> think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
>>> Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
>>> Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>>>
>>> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples
>>> where they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs
>>> (if ever).  They have been tremendous help.  Usually I only get stuck when
>>> there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
>>> example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
>>> someone has for doing documentation.
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
>>> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
>>>> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
>>>> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
>>>> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
>>>> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
>>>> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywiltse@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>>>
>>>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
>>>> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
>>>> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
>>>> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
>>>> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
>>>> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
>>>> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
>>>> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
>>>> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>>>>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to
set a
>>>>> logger that can do the things you want...  which is actually more a java
>>>>> question then
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>
>>>>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>>>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>>>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>>>>> <mailto:blackdrag@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>>>>>     I give you my perspective on SO:
>>>>>>     I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible...
of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>     few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time
and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>     wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>>>>>     and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     bye blackdrag
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hi Jerry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to
the
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>         list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at
>>>>>> codehaus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>>>         Pascal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>>>>>         <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              I don't feel right posting novice level questions to
the
>>>>>>         user group
>>>>>>              because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>>>>>         discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any
>>>>>> responses to
>>>>>>              Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC
>>>>>> Room, or
>>>>>>              otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>>>>>         are for
>>>>>>              Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>>>>>         I'm just
>>>>>>              not sure how many of those things translate to my use
>>>>>> cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers
to
>>>>>>         questions on
>>>>>>              Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim
>>>>>> Yates, who's
>>>>>>              posts are always amazing).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              Regards,
>>>>>>              Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>>>         jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>
>>>>>>         <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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