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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL]About creating open collective for Groovy programming language in the name of Groovy Community
Date Tue, 05 Feb 2019 15:02:05 GMT
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:30 PM Jennifer Strater <>

> Hi Roman,
> This thread is about finding out whether we are allowed to use
> OpenSourceCollective(OSC) to fund/reward contributions to the Apache Groovy
> project. The response we are expecting is an unconditional yes, yes with
> clearly defined conditions, or no.

The way I see it is this: it is all about how you frame it. The framing
that is very likely
to pass VP Brand test is this: you register an organization there that is
NOT affiliated with ASF. Call it "Friends of Apache Groovy" or something.
Then in
the short blurb you disclaim the relationship even further.

That's the ASF side.

On a side of somebody who may consider donating -- I'd also like to see a
articulated statement of how the money received will be spent.


> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:01 AM Roman Shaposhnik <>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:48 AM Jennifer Strater <>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Was there a response from the Apache foundation?  And as always, just
>>> let me know if I can help.
>> What kind of a response are you looking for?
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>> Best,
>>> Jenn
>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:35 AM Marcin Erdmann <
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Given that I have no association with ASF nor am I a PMC member or a
>>>> committer I would be happy to take ownership of running the collective if
>>>> that helps. Of course only after we figure out how to actually set it up
>>>> and run it without violating anything.
>>>> Marcin
>>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:20 AM Cédric Champeau <
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> My 2 cents: as a Groovy enthusiast, I like the idea and support it. As
>>>>> a Groovy committer and PMC member, however, I have some things to say.
>>>>> First, it's not very different to have one company paying one
>>>>> developer full time to develop Groovy and contribute features than it
is to
>>>>> have a collective "sponsoring" Groovy. The process of integration is
>>>>> same: we, as PMC members, must make sure neutrality is followed and that
>>>>> entity is coercing Groovy for its own needs. That's why we try to have
>>>>> members from different companies. Second, Groovy is a brand name owned
>>>>> the ASF. As such, you should not use "Apache Groovy" without asking for
>>>>> permission from legal. It should also be extremely clear that this
>>>>> collective is not affiliated with the ASF in any way. The best way for
>>>>> to do it is that effectively no PMC member, and no committer is part
of the
>>>>> collective, otherwise there's a conflict of interest. Especially, the
>>>>> itself is looking for donations, and donations MUST NOT be directed at
>>>>> specific project. There are good reasons for this (in particular, we
>>>>> benefit from the same infrastructure, the same member affiliation, as
>>>>> other project). So it's clear to be that this collective must not be
>>>>> affiliated to Groovy. Should you need sponsorship for developing Groovy,
>>>>> feel free to do it, but it should never mention that it's an Apache thing.
>>>>> This can make it rather complicated with open collective as it requires
>>>>> GitHub repository with stars. I feel you will NOT be allowed to use
>>>>> `apache/groovy` for the reasons I described. `groovy/groovy` is an old
>>>>> repo, and in any case, the ASF may want to make sure its trademarks are
>>>>> respected by preventing you to use this repository.
>>>>> Said differently: I like the idea, but you need to find a way to do it
>>>>> which doesn't involve trademarks or ASF ownership.
>>>>> Le jeu. 10 janv. 2019 à 02:05, Daniel.Sun <>
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>> My pleasure :-)
>>>>>> Once the open collective created, we will discuss the rules to
>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>> people to involve the development of Groovy. They have no time on
>>>>>> Groovy
>>>>>> during work time and may be tired after work, but maybe they want
>>>>>> earn
>>>>>> additional money for some reason.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Daniel.Sun
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Apache Groovy committer
>>>>>> Blog:
>>>>>> Twitter: @daniel_sun
>>>>>> --
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