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From Jennifer Strater <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL]About creating open collective for Groovy programming language in the name of Groovy Community
Date Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:14 GMT
Hi everyone,

Was there a response from the Apache foundation?  And as always, just let
me know if I can help.


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:35 AM Marcin Erdmann <>

> Given that I have no association with ASF nor am I a PMC member or a
> committer I would be happy to take ownership of running the collective if
> that helps. Of course only after we figure out how to actually set it up
> and run it without violating anything.
> Marcin
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:20 AM Cédric Champeau <>
> wrote:
>> My 2 cents: as a Groovy enthusiast, I like the idea and support it. As a
>> Groovy committer and PMC member, however, I have some things to say.
>> First, it's not very different to have one company paying one developer
>> full time to develop Groovy and contribute features than it is to have a
>> collective "sponsoring" Groovy. The process of integration is the same: we,
>> as PMC members, must make sure neutrality is followed and that no entity is
>> coercing Groovy for its own needs. That's why we try to have PMC members
>> from different companies. Second, Groovy is a brand name owned by the ASF.
>> As such, you should not use "Apache Groovy" without asking for permission
>> from legal. It should also be extremely clear that this collective is not
>> affiliated with the ASF in any way. The best way for me to do it is that
>> effectively no PMC member, and no committer is part of the collective,
>> otherwise there's a conflict of interest. Especially, the ASF itself is
>> looking for donations, and donations MUST NOT be directed at a specific
>> project. There are good reasons for this (in particular, we all benefit
>> from the same infrastructure, the same member affiliation, as any other
>> project). So it's clear to be that this collective must not be affiliated
>> to Groovy. Should you need sponsorship for developing Groovy, feel free to
>> do it, but it should never mention that it's an Apache thing. This can make
>> it rather complicated with open collective as it requires a GitHub
>> repository with stars. I feel you will NOT be allowed to use
>> `apache/groovy` for the reasons I described. `groovy/groovy` is an old
>> repo, and in any case, the ASF may want to make sure its trademarks are
>> respected by preventing you to use this repository.
>> Said differently: I like the idea, but you need to find a way to do it
>> which doesn't involve trademarks or ASF ownership.
>> Le jeu. 10 janv. 2019 à 02:05, Daniel.Sun <> a écrit :
>>> My pleasure :-)
>>> Once the open collective created, we will discuss the rules to encourage
>>> people to involve the development of Groovy. They have no time on Groovy
>>> during work time and may be tired after work, but maybe they want to earn
>>> additional money for some reason.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Daniel.Sun
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>>> Apache Groovy committer
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