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From Marcin Erdmann <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL]About creating open collective for Groovy programming language in the name of Groovy Community
Date Thu, 10 Jan 2019 09:35:29 GMT
Given that I have no association with ASF nor am I a PMC member or a
committer I would be happy to take ownership of running the collective if
that helps. Of course only after we figure out how to actually set it up
and run it without violating anything.


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:20 AM Cédric Champeau <>

> My 2 cents: as a Groovy enthusiast, I like the idea and support it. As a
> Groovy committer and PMC member, however, I have some things to say.
> First, it's not very different to have one company paying one developer
> full time to develop Groovy and contribute features than it is to have a
> collective "sponsoring" Groovy. The process of integration is the same: we,
> as PMC members, must make sure neutrality is followed and that no entity is
> coercing Groovy for its own needs. That's why we try to have PMC members
> from different companies. Second, Groovy is a brand name owned by the ASF.
> As such, you should not use "Apache Groovy" without asking for permission
> from legal. It should also be extremely clear that this collective is not
> affiliated with the ASF in any way. The best way for me to do it is that
> effectively no PMC member, and no committer is part of the collective,
> otherwise there's a conflict of interest. Especially, the ASF itself is
> looking for donations, and donations MUST NOT be directed at a specific
> project. There are good reasons for this (in particular, we all benefit
> from the same infrastructure, the same member affiliation, as any other
> project). So it's clear to be that this collective must not be affiliated
> to Groovy. Should you need sponsorship for developing Groovy, feel free to
> do it, but it should never mention that it's an Apache thing. This can make
> it rather complicated with open collective as it requires a GitHub
> repository with stars. I feel you will NOT be allowed to use
> `apache/groovy` for the reasons I described. `groovy/groovy` is an old
> repo, and in any case, the ASF may want to make sure its trademarks are
> respected by preventing you to use this repository.
> Said differently: I like the idea, but you need to find a way to do it
> which doesn't involve trademarks or ASF ownership.
> Le jeu. 10 janv. 2019 à 02:05, Daniel.Sun <> a écrit :
>> My pleasure :-)
>> Once the open collective created, we will discuss the rules to encourage
>> people to involve the development of Groovy. They have no time on Groovy
>> during work time and may be tired after work, but maybe they want to earn
>> additional money for some reason.
>> Cheers,
>> Daniel.Sun
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