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Ask any system administrator. There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion. On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Remi Forax wrote: > Perhaps only on method reference, > filter (Objects!::isNull) ? > > Remi > > On November 18, 2016 4:10:24 PM GMT+01:00, Paul King > wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Graeme Rocher wrote: >> >>> In agreement with everyone else here. >>> >>> +1 to !in and !instanceof >>> -1 to everything else >>> >> >> Same for me. I am undecided about sticky or not (allowing a space) but >> easier to be conservative and loosen later. >> I'm -1 for 'as' (no one has proposed it but another of our operators) >> and probably 'is' too. If we do is, I don't see why we wouldn't do it >> for all methods (that return boolean), e.g. assert 'a'.!isUpperCase() >> and I am a little hesitant about such a notation. >> >> Paul. >> >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Sun w= rote: >>>> >>>> OK. I see :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =E5=9C=A8 C=C3=A9dric Champeau [via Groovy] = =EF=BC=8C2016=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5 >>>> =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=889:18=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >>>> >>>> I agree with Jochen and Guillaume: +1 to !instanceof and !in, but I d= on't >>>> like the other variants. >>>> >>>> 2016-11-18 14:11 GMT+01:00 Daniel Sun <[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jochen, >>>>> >>>>> I think !instanceof and !in are ok. The others... not sure here. Ri= ght >>>>>> now a*=3Db, which means !< is >=3D. And in this >>>>>> case I actually prefer >=3D. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes we write code like "!(a > b)", now we can write "! >>>>> a !> >>>>> b" >>>>> instead, which is much close to our mind :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Daniel.Sun >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Negative-relational-operators-for= -Groovy-3-tp5736809p5736816.html >>>>> Sent from the Groovy Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discuss= ion >>>> below: >>>> http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Negative-relational-operators-for-= Groovy-3-tp5736809p5736817.html >>>> To unsubscribe from Negative relational operators for Groovy 3, click= here. >>>> NAML >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> View this message! >>>> in >>>> context: Re: Negative relational operators for Groovy 3 >>>> Sent from the Groovy Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Graeme Rocher >>> >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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!:: you say? now that's something I can grok :-)<= br>
If method references are "similar" to Groovy's M= ethodClosures, would the addition of !:: imply the addition of !.& ?

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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Remi Forax = <forax@univ-mlv.fr> wrote:
Perhaps only on method reference,
filter (Objects!::isNull) ?

Remi

On November 18, 2016 4:10:24 PM GMT= +01:00, Paul King <paulk@asert.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:16 A=
M, Graeme Rocher <graeme.rocher@gmail.com> wrote:
 In agreement with everyone else here.

 +1 to !in and=
 !instanceof
 -1 to everything else

Same for me. I a=
m undecided about sticky or not (allowing a space) but
easier to be cons=
ervative and loosen later.
I'm -1 for 'as' (no one has propo=
sed it but another of our operators)
and probably 'is' too. If w=
e do is, I don't see why we wouldn't do it
for all methods (that=
 return boolean), e.g. assert 'a'.!isUpperCase()
and I am a litt=
le hesitant about such a notation.

Paul.

 On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Sun <realbluesun@hotmail=
.com> wrote:
 OK. I s=
ee :)



 =E5=9C=A8 C=C3=A9dric Champeau [via Groovy] <ml-no=
de+[hidden email]>=EF=BC=8C2016=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5
 =E4=
=B8=8B=E5=8D=889:18=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

 I agree with Jochen =
and Guillaume: +1 to !instanceof and !in, but I don't
 like the othe=
r variants.

 2016-11-18 14:11 GMT+01:00 Daniel Sun <[hidden email=
]>:

 Hi Jochen,

<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid #fcaf3e;padding-left:1ex">  I think !instanceof and !in are o=
k. The others... not sure here. Right
  now a*=3Db, which means !< is=
 >=3D. And in this
  case I actually prefer >=3D.
=

      Sometimes we write code like "!(a > b)", now we can =
write "!
 a !>
b"
 instead, which is much close to our mind :)

 Cheers,
=
 Daniel.Sun





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