Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303EC200B5D for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 13:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 2EB82160A87; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 765DD160A6B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 13:49:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 49927 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2016 11:49:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@groovy.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@groovy.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@groovy.apache.org Received: (qmail 49917 invoked by uid 99); 7 Aug 2016 11:49:43 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 11:49:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id BCD8DC023E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.702 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07sdz1EEt0CL for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 053F35F1F5 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([77.177.176.131]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mh9yT-1bsApO49gX-00MH4v for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 13:49:32 +0200 To: dev@groovy.apache.org From: Jochen Theodorou Subject: The long path to a new MOP Message-ID: <57A72049.6080802@gmx.org> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 13:49:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hmTQYHieGHgLPS2rG+4WZuQ0rLiUgCyGN0XnVYtZIi3bo2ZA/Ti y2r5Ogte11kEiKAzNRSMuVTydBAwf4NlsrDwGP68nCE+e1UyC7osEMki/9GYlPN3Jf5xVQd OUL+HCi6Tze12IJ3JGv/EMQuIb9w1ltrF6AF2F18Uk4g5qi3xotLLg5d/T3gU/iiaGaXsFi oplE1CbHQ8oR5BRV6ANOg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:1n7EZVlC+zM=:GtT3lUxjpFgawGLLkn8N4h pFmUPY7PWSLCFGblNNcLNoXrELXOn8j+QnhhD9JnL5bJpEYLOM3kMOe1BDFSmXQANvuZamOhW pyL3szGBuX1It7yxyd4LmgC4av5nWcU1O2hKom7LoE6n6liad5Wwaa6+QGcqxy+HkeQFOhSc/ 3WFp9nWBM7rap1OiymbAmLaaNv9qlAEtftM6F6KITd2KFB6uGTocM9TyOkhFjSQWV4b4zcBCk 68zKwlU8oqLPsALjMc705RaPTST9HbpLkcO3HscXPWFOv4nuQGvYrzYwWX08WwlbHbii4zQLu af/Ugxie4JNwFyn2zGUaN08XyT029RF9a9RX5PKDArtGxSlJajZjdglN+mXLG14MWYVXNj/j9 GrBXlUETG+omDxteIW2mUh1Deh92agUf7dtDIu+w082TXv9lyglvfTNM0WNwJMOKCaJravgFi /lCVAJAPkR5ZxHLfX58DtG9nScwJNmlnaNnfnpH1g443mQsCFtFLNRpMDfzReUcAcnZw+9BCp /8UtHqae2E70C5JsWpWabX9HKXElTzrMCjjvq/QBUSmBuM8fL9OhzbsRHEzUULh6GzqK7hGYS ESGomsvTnuoN1cnTkDvFTbosr9RPF3BPL0nEZCmEoDR/rKvhc0vUvW+4ZPXSr7J/IA0rv7478 DXBtT9149zjeqYLRVaVzj3XukR2g97rzxGqaDYM3YGyUhtLfjXBrGE+D2S7RuL/YNpfyLcfkO BEC5Zpq5M3fyFdajRh09Q6wE9JVB//cb7mPPrnztpfuuYCVpQY0y1ikaT+XMmZc2cb/rkNXiT JPIAY5z archived-at: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 11:49:45 -0000 Hi all, As I was posting almost a year ago in http://blackdragsview.blogspot.de/2015/03/thoughts-about-new-meta-class-system.html I had some thoughts about possible migration paths from old MOP to new MOP... and continued thinking about this. Since this will take several normal releases I think just using a branch will not do here. Because keeping them just in sync will probably take up most of the time I would normally use to implement this. So I was wondering... would you guys ok with me introducing classes marked as "experimental" on the normal branch? I was thinking initially about adding a new source folder where these classes go and let us then omit them during release. But I think this will not work. There will be circular references. There have to if the new MOPs are supposed to work together somehow. So I guess it would be just the normal src folder then? Or is someone having a better idea? bye Jochen