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From Mario Garcia <>
Subject Re: down
Date Sun, 22 May 2016 18:36:41 GMT
Thanks for the explanation Guillaume.

Just a quick question. I was wondering if, the same way Groovy has a mirror
in Github, could it be possible to have the Groovy site published as a
gh-pages? That would work as a possible documentation back-up in the
future. Of course I don't mean to do it any time soon, but it could be a
nice (partial) solution if any of this happens again in the future.


2016-05-22 20:20 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Laforge <>:

> And... it's back now!
> Sorry again for the inconvenience, but this was really beyond our control
> unfortunately.
> Regarding your points, Steve:
> 1) If a company is stupid to "abandon" a great language like Groovy, too
> bad for them ;-)
> 2) Well, we can't control perception obviously, and I didn't envision a
> simple DNS domain name transfer would fail so bad. Normally, this kind of
> process should really be smooth. So it's really really unfortunate that the
> ASF infra couldn't handle that appropriately and timely. To their defense,
> it's mostly a team of non-paid volunteers, relying on services granted for
> free by third-parties, and in this instance, it was really not a smooth and
> reliable process.
> 3) We're at the wheel, don't worry, even if not full time like we used to.
> Reverting the process wasn't possible, as once you've made the move to
> transfer a domain name, you can't take it back, so I couldn't have been
> able to reclaim it. And since the Apache foundation mandates that such
> domain names be in their control, we would have had to go through that
> process anyway. So reverting to try again later would have run the risk of
> two such downtimes, which would be even worse.
> Guillaume
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Steve Byrne <> wrote:
>> What about backing out the change for now?  This is looking really
>> bad...think about how it looks from the outside:
>> 1) Pivotal appears to "abandon" Groovy as a language -- does not send a
>> positive signal about the language's future prospects
>> 2) _Without warning_ the site *DISAPPEARS*.   "Oh
>> well,", people think, "looks like Groovy is done for.  _Glad we did not
>> make that decision to depend on Groovy for our go-forward technology_"
>> 3) The problem isn't being corrected.  This looks like either a) nobody
>> is "a the wheel" (of the car), or b) the folks behind Groovy (whomever they
>> are, again I am speaking as it would appear to the outside) are just really
>> incompetent, and again "we're glad we did not decide to invest development
>> resources into using Groovy", or, "Wow, after Pivotal abandoning Groovy,
>> and now the whole Groovy lang site disappearing _in the middle of the
>> night_", we'd better move off Groovy -- too much risk"
>> *It's time to back out this change*.  Get back on the
>> air ASAP!  Let Apache figure out their issue in parallel, but don't leave
>> this gaping and bleeding wound untreated any longer.  It really looks bad,
>> and I think still at this point, Groovy as a language/runtime/technology
>> cannot afford to look bad, after item 1 above happened.
>> I really like Groovy and would hate to lose it because of this silly
>> indecent.  And, not having access to (and all the docs
>> about the GDK) is hampering my development (yeah, I could have a local
>> copy, that I replicate onto _each_ of my machines and keep up to date, but
>> why bother?).
>> Here's hoping you make the right decision,
>> Steve
>> On May 22, 2016, at 5:11 AM, Guillaume Laforge <>
>> wrote:
>> Hi Pascal,
>> Yes, please see my messages to the users list.
>> Here's the Apache Infra ticket tracking this:
>> We've launched the transfer of the domain name to the ASF, but
>> unfortunately, this is not yet resolved :-(
>> It's becoming painful, to say the list, and I get inquiries through
>> emails, twitter and elsewhere about it... I hope the Infra team will be
>> able to resolve that soon. It's already been so long :-(
>> Guillaume
>> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Pascal Schumacher <
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello everybody,
>>> seems down since Friday?
>> --
>> Guillaume Laforge
>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
>> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <>
>> Blog:
>> Social: @glaforge <> / Google+
>> <>
> --
> Guillaume Laforge
> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <>
> Blog:
> Social: @glaforge <> / Google+
> <>

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