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From Cédric Champeau <cedric.champ...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release 2.5 Beta?
Date Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:17:15 GMT
The problem is how to get feedback if the feature is not documented?

2016-03-13 18:13 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@gmail.com>:

> For a beta, I think it can be okay, but for the final release of 2.5,
> documentation will be of course mandatory, and we can't release it without
> that documentation. As I often say, a feature which is not documented
> doesn't exist!
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Shil Sinha <shil.sinha@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it's a bit of a problem, still, when it's really that particular
>>> feature which is in beta, and that we'll want users to test. Without
>>> knowing it's there and how to use it it's going to be hard to have feedback.
>>
>>
>> Agreed, it would be strange to not have any documentation for the focal
>> point of a release. Are there any external references which we could direct
>> users to? Not from within the repo itself, but when promoting the release
>> elsewhere e.g. Twitter.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Cédric Champeau <
>> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So does everyone agree that we should release the beta even if it's
>>> missing docs for macros? I think it's a bit of a problem, still, when it's
>>> really that particular feature which is in beta, and that we'll want users
>>> to test. Without knowing it's there and how to use it it's going to be hard
>>> to have feedback.
>>>
>>> 2016-03-13 0:56 GMT+01:00 Suderman Keith <suderman@cs.vassar.edu>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's go with mushroom, for a change :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Cédric Champeau <
>>>> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-03-12 0:05 GMT+01:00 Nicholas Grealy <nickgrealy@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like it's just you and me, Pascal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just some questions for the broader dev community:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Who can perform the release? - Cédric looked like he single
>>>>>>    handedly pushed out version 2.4.6 - can we ask him to prepare
the 2.5 beta
>>>>>>    release?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Until we've switched to a new release process, it's still easier if I
>>>>> do it, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>    - Is there anything outstanding for a 2.5 beta release? -
>>>>>>    Whoever's we're waiting on, can we get an update?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of outstanding issues, that's why it's a beta. In
>>>>> particular, the new (exciting!) macro stuff is not documented, nor the
AST
>>>>> matcher complete. It's a super nice feature that deserves polishing.
Plus,
>>>>> there are some decisions to be made with regards to applying the global
>>>>> `macro` AST xform globally or not, in particular with groovy-all. We
can
>>>>> solve this after the beta, for sure, but we need to think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>    - Do we need a VOTE thread for a beta release?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's a release. We can call it "beta", "rc" or "mushroom", it's
a
>>>>> release anyway :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 at 22:52 Nicholas Grealy <nickgrealy@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:37 Pascal Schumacher <pascalschumacher@gmx.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as far as I remember there was wide support for releasing
a 2.5
>>>>>>>> beta in
>>>>>>>> the "Release 2.4.6 and 2.5.0-beta?" discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The release announcement for 2.4.6 contained the sentence
"... be
>>>>>>>> prepared for a 2.5.0-beta release soon!". Tomorrow that will
be two
>>>>>>>> weeks ago, so I think we should make some plans when we start
the
>>>>>>>> release vote and who will be able to serve as a release manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Guillaume Laforge
>>>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
>>>> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com/>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>> Vassar College
>>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Laforge
> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
>
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